Pursuit Of Happiness And Balance With Tom Ward

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Nick McGowan
Hello and welcome to The Mindset and Self-mastery Show. I’m your host, Nick McGowan. And on this show, my guests and I unpack the stories that shape us and the lives we lead on our path to self-mastery. Now, this is the very first episode of the show, and I am so excited you’re here with us today. On the show we have Tom Ward. Tom is a medical device salesman who watched his grandfather almost die in front of him as a child because of a heart attack.

00:00:33:06 – 00:00:47:08
Nick McGowan
And 20 years later, he’s now selling similar services and devices that saved his grandfather’s life. So we discuss how that moment as a child led to the work he does today and much, much more. So let’s not wait any longer.

00:00:47:13 – 00:01:12:05
Nick McGowan
Let the games begin. Hello and welcome to The Mindset and Self-mastery Show. This is the very first episode of this show and I am so friggin excited to be able to have Tom Ward on the show with me. First off, because we’ve talked about a podcast for years at this point, I think at one point you were literally texting me like just the word podcast.

00:01:12:20 – 00:01:22:16
Nick McGowan
I think that’s all I was getting from you. But man, I’m so excited. This is episode number one. Episode number one. Hello and welcome, everybody. Thank you for being here. Thank you.

00:01:23:03 – 00:01:38:14
Tom Ward
Yeah, I can’t believe it. I mean, you know, even that and the other day when we were going back and forth about doing episode one, we were like, let’s let’s do it in a couple of weeks and this and that. And I think that’s exactly how it happened last time. So we were like, You know what? Screw all that.

00:01:39:00 – 00:01:40:22
Tom Ward
We’re doing it tomorrow at 4:00.

00:01:42:11 – 00:02:02:11
Nick McGowan
And now we’re giving you a peek behind the curtain. You know, it’s funny that we’ve talked about doing this for a long time, but timing is is important in all things. So it’s something that we’re going to get into with Tom here today is about sales, psychology or sales. It’s easy for he and I to talk about sales because it’s what we’ve done for years and years and years.

00:02:02:11 – 00:02:22:01
Nick McGowan
But the mindset around that and finding balance in a sales career, especially in the medical device career. So to give you a little bit of background on who Thomas Arms had an entrepreneurial spirit as long as you can remember, he says, I know that Tom was really pushing a paint business or a painting business in college besides just drinking and girls at that point.

00:02:23:04 – 00:02:41:10
Nick McGowan
And I know he grew up in an entrepreneurial household, so he’s seen the the ebbs and flows of entrepreneur life, the ups and downs, the feast and famine, all of that sort of stuff. For the most part, I think he’s lived a pretty good life because of the entrepreneurial spirit that ran through that house and that led him into sales.

00:02:41:10 – 00:03:10:20
Nick McGowan
So getting from college into into sales, I think he went through paychecks and financial industry. Now he’s in medical device sales. So you may have noticed the the name of this podcast as the pursuit of happiness in it is I figured, you know, medical device sales. Why not? Right. So really appreciate you being here, Tom. As we record this episode, we’re only a few days away from Christmas, so I have to ask, have you done your Christmas shopping?

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Nick McGowan
You feel like it’s actually Christmas.

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Tom Ward
You know what I mean? In such a transition right now, I’m literally moving to Austin, Texas, next week. So the idea of Christmas this year is, you know, I don’t even know I’m in this weird in-between phase. But yeah, a lot of my shopping luckily is done on the quintessential wait till like the morning of Christmas Eve to go to the mall.

00:03:34:15 – 00:03:48:18
Tom Ward
And there’s some shopping, but I don’t have any excuse because I’m literally living 2 minutes away from the mall here. So yeah, a lot of it’s done, but yeah, I’m looking forward to it. I’m trying to get in the Christmas spirit as much as possible.

00:03:48:18 – 00:04:05:07
Nick McGowan
And I think we can kind of impact that. You still go to a mall, there’s a demo of people that go to malls, and then there’s demos of people that just thank Jeff for sending him things every couple of days. Thank you. Mr. Bezos. Yeah, I’m showing you the mike that I’m using. You’re like, Where did you get that?

00:04:05:07 – 00:04:22:19
Nick McGowan
Did you go to a store? Buy that? No, absolutely not. No, I prefer to go to the local shops if I can, for certain things. But for the most part, if I can get something delivered to my door in two days or less, I’m pretty much going to do that. Well, again, Tom, I appreciate you being on the show.

00:04:22:22 – 00:04:39:02
Nick McGowan
This is episode number one. And I’m so excited that you’re here with me. And I’m excited for us to be able to get into everything we’re going to get into. I know a lot of it’s going to be around sales and psychology of sales mindset, balancing life within all of this. And we’re going to bounce from a handful of different topics.

00:04:39:13 – 00:05:01:02
Nick McGowan
But with this first episode, what I really wanted to get into was some of those experiences that have made, you know, this this is really about taking the stories that we’ve been through and sharing those with people that may not know, you may not know your stories, may not know what some of those things are about. So we all go through trials, right?

00:05:01:02 – 00:05:21:07
Nick McGowan
We all go through stuff. And there are things that, you know, in your twenties and thirties, you can look back and go, Oh my gosh, I remember going to this thing. I’m sure when you’re in your forties and fifties, etc., you can do the same thing. And you would hope that over the course of time you get a little smarter, get a little less done, do a little less dumb shit, and be able to get in a little less trouble because you’ve figured some things out, right?

00:05:21:18 – 00:05:44:11
Nick McGowan
You’re kind of moving through life. So those stories that have shaped us want to unpack a couple of those experiences that have set your life up, but let’s set you up. Who are you? Can you kind of tell us a little bit about you? Oh, what you’re what you’re doing now for a living and maybe start off with something that’s a little weird or strange that people don’t know that.

00:05:44:11 – 00:06:08:02
Tom Ward
Yeah. So now, I mean, I’m, you know, ever since I graduated college, I’ve been in sales and I’ve been in the business world. But you know, for the past five years I’ve been in the medical device sales world, which is just completely different than any other sales position I’ve ever had. And it’s a really rewarding career. It’s really fulfilling for so many different reasons.

00:06:08:02 – 00:06:43:23
Tom Ward
But, you know, you touched on childhood and, you know, growing up in an entrepreneurial household. And, you know, I had the opportunity to basically, you know, watch my dad grow a small business, you know, and he was a plumber, started out as a plumber and basically expanded into a full on construction company. So really, I think that experience seeing that, hey, in America, you can you have the opportunity regardless of education, your upbringing, whatever it is, you have the opportunity no matter what, there’s literally no excuses.

00:06:43:23 – 00:07:08:03
Tom Ward
You can go out and create a business from nothing and succeed and make a good living for yourself. So I saw that. I saw the people that he worked with and I thought to myself, Man, I really want to do that. I want to be in business and, you know, through some some trials and tribulations and growing up and stuff like that and working for him over the years, I realized the construction world wasn’t necessarily my cup of tea.

00:07:08:03 – 00:07:30:00
Tom Ward
But you know, interestingly enough, in college I did have a chance to start a small, you know, basically contracting business myself. I did that and a lot of it was door to door sales, you know what I mean? It was just knocking out, canvasing neighborhoods and going to Swarthmore, P.A., real hoity toity area, you know, or you could.

00:07:30:00 – 00:07:31:06
Nick McGowan
Have picked the worst places to go.

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Tom Ward
Yeah. And, you know, just kind of targeted those, like, kind of richer areas and just went out doorknocking, got a lot of no’s, got a lot of doors slammed in my face. But and I can remember some days where I just wanted to kind of give up, you know what I mean? Like, how am I doing in here?

00:07:48:21 – 00:08:19:16
Tom Ward
It’s raining. You got people freaking screaming at me. But ultimately it just kept kind of trucking away and I had a lot of success with that was nationally ranked in in that in that organization and went on and had a pretty successful sales career. Now I’m in the medical device world and I love it. And like I said, for so many different reasons, it’s a lot different than your typical sales position, but always learning and always learning something new, that’s for sure.

00:08:20:07 – 00:08:43:11
Nick McGowan
I can imagine that the health care industry right now is absolutely insane. So but I want I want to get to that in a minute. Yes. Take a step back. You grew up in an entrepreneurial house. You’ve gone through some different things as you got into college. You said, hey, I’m going to pick this higher end area and I’m going to go sell them contracting services, because that’s basically what my pops was doing as I grew up.

00:08:44:04 – 00:09:00:19
Nick McGowan
And you figured out that that wasn’t exactly what you wanted to do. But what about all of that? Like, think back to being a little kid, because I think that little kid that’s inside of you is kind of the holder of your mindset at times. So to think back to that little kid when you’re looking at your dad and you’re thinking, I want to do that.

00:09:01:06 – 00:09:12:10
Nick McGowan
What was it about it? Was it the admiration or was it like, I want to be able to have some sort of freedom or something like that because that ties in to where you’re at today. You know what I mean?

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Tom Ward
Right now? That’s a great question. I think it is that I think it was the sense of freedom of of kind of calling your own shots, you know, the freedom to control your own schedule, you know, and not be beholden to, you know, reporting to an office each day and the ability to kind of control your own paycheck, too.

00:09:35:21 – 00:09:58:08
Tom Ward
And just, you know, with with, you know, a better financial situation comes, you know, the freedom to choose whatever you want, where you want to send your kids to school, you know, where you want to eat, what kind of car you want to drive, kind of house you want to live in, all those different things really just, you know, choosing your own lifestyle, you know, I think that’s kind of what it boils down to.

00:09:58:08 – 00:10:00:15
Tom Ward
So that was really the admiration behind it, you know?

00:10:02:00 – 00:10:22:15
Nick McGowan
So when you think back to the things that have made you, you right now, let’s tap into the mindset side of this. So growing up, what did you see that makes you you now that has helped you mentally or maybe hasn’t, you know, maybe kind of screwed it up a little bit. You know, these are things that I work on, right?

00:10:22:15 – 00:10:29:06
Nick McGowan
Because because of those things, you have to go work on them and you’re able to do those because if something screwed up that happened.

00:10:29:06 – 00:10:52:06
Tom Ward
But yeah, you know, I can I can pinpoint a couple childhood experiences. I mean, number one, you know, the entrepreneurial side of things. Number two was, you know, and I’ll try to come back full circle and kind of hit on that question. But I remember spending all my summers when I was a little kid with my grandpa. So you had the opportunity to be.

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Tom Ward
Yeah, yeah, that’s right. Yeah.

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Nick McGowan
Man. What a guy.

00:10:56:04 – 00:11:15:10
Tom Ward
Great guy. Total just the epitome of a gentleman. And, you know, he came from Italy to to the US at a young age, forged a successful career in the culinary world, became a chef at the union League. And I had I had the luxury of spending a lot of my summers at his house. And it was a small row home in Upper Darby.

00:11:15:10 – 00:11:36:15
Tom Ward
And we’d hang out all the time. He could be great meals and all that. And I remember one day it was a hot summer day. Ice cream guy rolls up and I’m like, Pop, I want to go get some ice cream. The ice cream guy’s outside and he’s like, All right, Tommy, let’s go. You know, we go outside and some kids had kind of formed a line, a couple of the you know, some of the adults in the neighborhood were there, too.

00:11:36:15 – 00:11:58:06
Tom Ward
And I remember I remember he started having chest pains, grabbed his chest, basically fell to the ground. He had a heart attack right in front of my eyes. And ambulance came and he was in and out of the hospital, had had surgery. And it was his defibrillator that saved his life. You know, he had a pacemaker, an implant.

00:11:58:06 – 00:12:21:23
Tom Ward
And I thought to myself, oh, my God, that’s that’s a traumatic experience that I remember so much, so crystal clear. I remember it better than I think anything that probably happened to me today. And I specifically remember, you know, my family visiting him in the hospital and, you know, in the operating room, post recovery and all that stuff.

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Tom Ward
And them talking about the medical device rep that was involved.

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Nick McGowan
In the.

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Tom Ward
Procedure. And you can’t help but think, you know, connecting the dots. Looking back, did that event lead me to what I’m doing today? You know what I mean? Did it lead me to being in medical device sales? You know what I mean? So that was kind of one of the interesting things from childhood that I that I can remember, you know, that probably the very first traumatic experience that I can remember, you know.

00:12:51:00 – 00:12:53:08
Tom Ward
So it’s interesting to kind of connect the dots on that.

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Nick McGowan
Wow. And story to that. I’m so glad, first off, that he didn’t pass right then and there because this may be a different story. You know, it it was traumatic. It sounds but it also sounds like it was traumatic enough to be able to guide you in a direction I hear different people at different times say that something like that similar tragic thing happened and that got them into a certain path.

00:13:24:02 – 00:13:40:12
Nick McGowan
Not many people can tie back to something specific that happened in their life that set them on a trajectory. So can you unpack that a bit about like really what the importance is behind that? Because look, you’re selling medical devices at this point and you’re you’re saving lives of those people.

00:13:41:01 – 00:13:59:14
Tom Ward
Yeah. I mean, it is an interesting thing to think about. You know, it wasn’t something that I would say that I grabbed out of thin air and thought this is a directly correlating event to what I’m doing now. I actually I actually discovered that candidly in a therapy session.

00:14:00:03 – 00:14:00:15
Nick McGowan
Beautiful.

00:14:01:14 – 00:14:20:23
Tom Ward
And, you know, interestingly enough, you know, a couple of years ago, I was experiencing severe panic attacks. It was a time in my life where I just I just had too much on my plate. You talk about balance, way out of balance. You know what I mean? At this particular point in my life, I was renovating a house.

00:14:21:11 – 00:14:56:00
Tom Ward
You know, I was in a in a in a long term relationship. I, I had a new job promotion with a giant quota and all these different things going on at the same time. It, it literally led to panic attacks and interestingly enough, chest pain. So yeah, I mean, by doing the kind of the talk therapy sessions, I had an incredible psychiatrist that, you know, talk through this and help me.

00:14:56:19 – 00:15:24:01
Tom Ward
There’s no way I’d be able to do that on my own. And literally by doing that kind of talk therapy back and forth, my symptoms pretty much disappear. And it’s interesting that they were cardiac or at the point where I couldn’t go out on an on a jog without feeling like I was having a heart attack. So that traumatic experience, again, that got tied in to my anxiety in adult life of the heart can be on, you know what I mean?

00:15:24:20 – 00:15:48:15
Tom Ward
And, you know, so obviously, you know, work through that and you know I’m symptom symptom free you know, to this day but it really it really you know, it all is about balance and kind of finding a happy medium where career is is going well and so is the family life and everything else and hobbies and all the things we do to kind of stay sane.

00:15:49:02 – 00:16:14:10
Nick McGowan
Yeah, I think it all ties in together that balance with whatever you’re doing. So when you think of your heart having some triggered problems is because there was a mental trigger that was happening. So, you know, I talk to people all the time about the mindset that we have to be aware of. Is awareness about your mindset to be able to actually see that there’s a problem first and be able to understand that.

00:16:14:21 – 00:16:37:14
Nick McGowan
So you were probably in the spot where you’re running and you’re like, man, this is this is as hard of cardio as my heart is telling me it is. What’s that problem? And being able to dove deep into that, what actually led you to to therapy where most people, maybe most walk kind of go more of the medical route, then they’ll just try to pump drugs into their system to fix the heart problem.

00:16:39:02 – 00:17:03:07
Tom Ward
Healthy, you know, I’m healthy. You know, in my twenties at the time, there’s no way of heart problems, you know what I mean? And I had to I had to unpack that. And, you know, it was not just that. It was panic attacks. It was all different kind of things like that. So I, I knew, you know, this absolutely has to be like, you know, mental health related.

00:17:03:15 – 00:17:22:12
Tom Ward
You know what I mean? It’s got to be anxiety. So, yeah, I think a lot of people don’t, you know, because of the stigma and for all different kind of reasons, they won’t go go get help, you know what I mean? I don’t want to be known as that. I don’t want to be labeled crazy to you know, it’s a big problem.

00:17:22:12 – 00:17:37:02
Tom Ward
Still, even in this day, even in 2021, soon to be 2022, people don’t want to do that. They don’t. They’re there. Maybe it’s their ego. They don’t want to go talk to somebody. And I got to be honest with you, man, it was the best thing that I ever did for myself because I learned so much about myself.

00:17:37:06 – 00:17:43:09
Tom Ward
You know what I mean? I would never would would hide those things together if I didn’t go talk to a professional.

00:17:43:19 – 00:18:02:18
Nick McGowan
Oh, yeah. Now, look, audience, we’re not pushing therapy or anything of the sort pushing conversation. We’re really pushing communication. And there’s only so much you can do in your head and think about how often you have that conversation in your head, and then you let yourself down the next time that thing comes up that you said that you were going to do, we do it all too often.

00:18:03:01 – 00:18:23:17
Nick McGowan
You know, we try to hold ourselves accountable, but you really can’t. And sometimes you just need to force yourself to get into four square balls and say, I’m going to talk to this person about these things and it’s going to be painful. And please lock the door so don’t try to run out. I’ve actually said that to a therapist before, like, all right, we’re going have conversation, but you better lock that door and put the the chair in front of it.

00:18:24:03 – 00:18:42:23
Nick McGowan
And, you know, partially kidding. But at the same time, your brain is going to start to try to run away. So it’s easy for you to run away and those situations. So, Tom, you were having a lot of problems and you came to an awareness that there was potentially a problem that wasn’t mechanical. Let’s say it was more of a mental thing.

00:18:43:09 – 00:19:04:09
Nick McGowan
Yeah. So let’s break down a little bit for the audience how you actually went through that process of then being able to talk to somebody because I think you nailed it. I think a lot of people have a hard time being able to talk to somebody because they’re not sure when they’re ready to do it. You know, like, well, maybe I just need to give myself a little bit more time or I need to do this or I need to do that.

00:19:04:17 – 00:19:09:01
Nick McGowan
So can you walk us through a little bit of what that process looked like for you to get there?

00:19:09:01 – 00:19:22:17
Tom Ward
First of all, I think there’s a huge problem there. I think there’s a lack of of good therapists out there. Like even if you try to reach out to some of them, like you can’t get in and see some of some of the good ones anyway for months.

00:19:23:02 – 00:19:33:18
Nick McGowan
How many? Yeah, I know. I tried to get out there a couple of years back and they literally told me six months for one. And when I asked them what they said, yeah, other people have been waiting for a year.

00:19:34:02 – 00:19:57:20
Tom Ward
Yeah. So that’s a problem. That’s a huge loss. And you know, I thought a lot about that subject and like thank God that one of the benefits of COVID was telehealth became such a big a big thing for people, not just for mental health, but for, you know, just going to see the doctor for, you know, whatever their ankle or whatever the headaches, migraines.

00:19:58:10 – 00:20:28:03
Tom Ward
So, you know, having the telehealth, hopefully that’s going to help out a lot just by doing something like this on Zoom. Why can’t that help somebody? But, you know, it really just got to the point where, you know, I almost didn’t have a choice where I’m like, oh, man, I really do need to do this. I really do need to to talk to somebody, kind of get again, another opinion, you know, it’s funny, you know, e growing up in, I think in the era we grew up in, you never learned about that subject.

00:20:28:03 – 00:20:33:12
Tom Ward
I can’t remember any class I sat in where they talked about mental health whatsoever.

00:20:33:22 – 00:20:37:14
Nick McGowan
No, that wasn’t a class. There wasn’t a class. There should be.

00:20:38:04 – 00:20:54:18
Tom Ward
Absolutely. And you know, so. Yeah, that was interesting. Interesting thing. Glad I’m glad I went that route. You know, from a business standpoint, things are better socially, you know, just personally. Things are things are just so much better for that. So thank God for that.

00:20:56:08 – 00:21:20:05
Nick McGowan
One of the things that I’ve always appreciated about you is that you’re smart, but sometimes you’re too smart, like too smart for your own good. And I think we’re kin when it comes to that, where we can kind of talk ourselves in and out of stuff. But those internal conversations that you’ve had and that process that you got through to be able to get to that point, there’s there are nuggets that were in there that maybe you haven’t actually processed through, and that’s totally all right.

00:21:20:08 – 00:21:34:22
Nick McGowan
Most people kind of don’t because you’re going through it. And when you’re done, you’re done, right. But for those people that are having a hard time of realizing like, hey, I just need to talk to somebody, what was it that you got to where you’re like, All right, let me go do this, do this thing?

00:21:35:11 – 00:21:39:05
Tom Ward
I started to get honest with the people around me.

00:21:39:05 – 00:21:43:18
Nick McGowan
What led you to that?

00:21:43:18 – 00:21:44:13
Tom Ward
You know.

00:21:44:15 – 00:21:46:12
Nick McGowan
Why not just hide? Why not continue to hide.

00:21:47:18 – 00:21:52:02
Tom Ward
Too? Because you don’t you don’t have a choice at that point. Do you have a choice at that point?

00:21:52:13 – 00:22:04:15
Nick McGowan
Well, I don’t know. You tell me. I mean, I got to a point in life where my choice was jump off a building or do something about it. Obviously didn’t jump. Yeah. So I would hope you didn’t get to that point.

00:22:05:16 – 00:22:23:16
Tom Ward
But. Oh, but at that point, getting to that point, I think it’s when it starts to affect like your your career and your daily life, that’s when it becomes a problem. And that’s when I think, you know, it’s for me. I’ll just say for me that it got to a point where I definitely needed to kind of reach out, you know?

00:22:23:16 – 00:22:42:23
Tom Ward
And I started I started to be honest with the people around me, friends and coworkers. And I was like, it was unbelievable how many people were like, Oh, yeah, do that happen to me too. I talked to so-and-so and they straightened me out right away and I’m just like, What’s really you when you know what I mean? So it was taking that step, to be honest.

00:22:42:23 – 00:23:03:17
Tom Ward
I was blown away with some of the feedback I got from other people. I’m like, Really? You went and did that too, you know? And then I was, What blew me away even more was after I did that and did the therapy saying how many people reached out to me saying, Hey, I’m going through, you know, I’m having anxiety, too.

00:23:03:17 – 00:23:25:12
Tom Ward
What what how did you how did you get over it? How did you get help? How did you fix it? So that was cool to be able to kind of help other people too. Like after the fact. And, you know, I would say when things start to like affect your daily lives, like you got to do something about it, you know, maybe that’s just my personality.

00:23:25:12 – 00:23:28:17
Tom Ward
I’m not going to leave something unfixed and unaddressed, you know?

00:23:28:20 – 00:23:54:20
Nick McGowan
Sure. Yeah. You know, different personalities, different character types think different environments. Right. You know, people are in such spaces with people around them and not around them that all kind of brush things off or just, you know, demean them a little bit more, you know, being able to be authentic and honest with yourself and then with the people closest to you and stepping out and trying to fix those problems, that’s huge.

00:23:54:20 – 00:24:17:03
Nick McGowan
So let’s kind of fast forward a little bit. You went through that rough time and now here you are, you’re engaged, you get married, you’re moving, you got a new job that’s paying you more, better place, better environment. You’re in such a better headspace. I’ve known you for a long time and I’ve seen you go up and down, up and down.

00:24:18:02 – 00:24:36:03
Nick McGowan
And I think you’re in the best headspace that you’ve ever been and that you’re confident in what you’re doing, what happened from then till now that are kind of those little, you know, things that you take with you on the rest of the journey. What were those main points that you took out of everything that happened for you to get to where you’re at now?

00:24:36:07 – 00:24:37:19
Nick McGowan
Basically what makes you you right now?

00:24:38:22 – 00:25:05:17
Tom Ward
You know, like I said, I keep talking about that. That, by the way, that’s a Steve Jobs quote. You know, you can’t connect the dots looking for words. You can only connect them backwards. So it’s just, you know, it’s you know, I guess from a career standpoint and, you know, moving into all these different things, you know, I just wasn’t afraid to kind of take a risk, you know, especially as it relates to getting in a medical device sales and moving down to Austin, Texas in like a week.

00:25:06:12 – 00:25:26:03
Tom Ward
Life is short, man, and it’s like the rocking chair theory. You know, when we’re 80, 85 and we’re sitting in a rocking chair on the front porch and we’re thinking about our life, you know, am I going to have any regrets? You know, and, you know, with the move, I’ll talk about that. You know, if we didn’t decide to do it, you know, my fiance and I, you know, would we have ever done it?

00:25:26:07 – 00:25:49:00
Tom Ward
Probably not. You know what? We have done this podcast. If we sat there talking about it and analyzing it every day, you know, it’s like paralysis by analysis kind of thing. And I think the main point I am trying to get at is, you know, you just got to go for it. You just got to do it. Whether that’s that new job that you, you know, that that might be a little bit of a stretch for you.

00:25:49:00 – 00:25:58:14
Tom Ward
But, you know, you might you might not be necessarily thinking that you’re ready for it. Just go just do it. You know? And if you if you lose, you learn. You know.

00:25:59:11 – 00:26:22:08
Nick McGowan
A lot of that is about your mindset. You know, if your mindset wasn’t set on the trying to find the thing, the thing to do, the next thing to do, that mindset of trying to hunt for the thing that gets you excited. But overall, that mindset of just trying and stepping and putting your right foot and then your left foot and your right foot in your left foot.

00:26:22:17 – 00:26:46:15
Nick McGowan
There are a lot of people that kind of get stuck. You know, I’ve been stuck in like 13 different moments where I remember just sitting there, almost sedentary and had given up and just failed myself. And when you’re in that actually down there, you’re going to continue to go down there. So if you’re looking at the negative, you’re going to focus on the negative and you’ll get that.

00:26:47:06 – 00:27:06:07
Nick McGowan
So with everything you’ve done, you’ve gone through and now with the move and all that stuff, there’s a lot that’s going on. So something that you and I have talked about off air and just over the course of time is balance. I think about the level of ag I want to deal with. What’s the ag meter, how much ag do I really want to put up with certain things?

00:27:06:15 – 00:27:23:15
Nick McGowan
You know, I’ve had conversations with people. They’re like, Well, I do this thing and I make this money. And then I was really aggravated about everything. That’s cool, except all of that sucks because you’re not actually living the life that you want to live. So that. AG Mm. I don’t know if that’s like a trademark thing. Maybe it should be.

00:27:23:15 – 00:27:25:18
Nick McGowan
I may put that in the back wall. Think the ag meter.

00:27:26:00 – 00:27:30:01
Tom Ward
Yeah. You just trademarked it right here.

00:27:30:01 – 00:27:49:20
Nick McGowan
So having balance is absolutely key. And as you’ve grown, as you’ve gone through things and as you’re about to move, get married, start a new job, be in a brand new area, make new friends, all those things. How, how are you planning on continuing to find balance and how do you do that now?

00:27:49:20 – 00:27:56:11
Tom Ward
I don’t know if it’s possible to find 100% true balance. I will say that and I’m no, I.

00:27:56:11 – 00:27:57:05
Nick McGowan
Challenge.

00:27:58:14 – 00:28:26:09
Tom Ward
And I’m not claiming to be some kind of an expert. You know, through my experiences, I’ve learned some things on the way. And one of the things is the pursuit of balance in 100% always pursue it. And that’s what I always try to do. You know, I think naturally I’m somebody that gets tunnel vision. And I think when we’re talking about men, you know, trying to seek mastery over their mindset, which is the title of your show, basically, let’s move some of those words around.

00:28:26:09 – 00:28:47:14
Tom Ward
Right? But basically that’s the title of the show. I think men are they tend to get laser focused, you know what I mean? Versus women, you know, being in a relationship. I mean, you can you can tell this right away. Women are thinking about 12 different things at the same time. They’re the ultimate multitaskers. And that’s not me.

00:28:47:19 – 00:29:19:05
Tom Ward
You know, I’m 100% we’re doing this podcast today. This is 100% my focus. I am 100% focused on this and only this. I’m not thinking about anything else. So naturally, you know, I know that about myself. I get tunnel vision. I get super focused on something, whether it’s competing in a triathlon and training for that or getting some new crazy sales goal and going after that at work, you know, knowing that about yourself and managing that effectively is probably the best thing that I could do.

00:29:19:05 – 00:29:23:11
Tom Ward
Just speaking in terms of what I think and just my opinion.

00:29:24:15 – 00:29:52:04
Nick McGowan
So you get into the masculine and the feminine energy and it’s not just about sex. Not at all. There are definitely women I’ve met that have been very masculine in their energy and men that I’ve met that have been very feminine in their energy and some that have have that, you know, equilibrium of balance. I agree with you that I don’t think you can actually get to 100% balance because that’s an every single moment, every single nanosecond of being completely balanced.

00:29:52:13 – 00:30:10:21
Nick McGowan
And I don’t know if that’s really how life should be now, just like when people say, well, if everybody was like me, it’d be great, really. No, I wouldn’t want billions of me in the world at all if I had the opportunity to be cloned. I don’t know if I would, but I’d probably want to do that. You know, it’s a different story.

00:30:10:21 – 00:30:33:23
Nick McGowan
I’d get a lot of a lot of stuff done and we’d have some good conversation, some good arguments and stuff like that. But really that masculine and feminine energy, there is a balance there. So when you talk about the people that have all these things that they’re thinking through and that feminine energy, that just a portion of that, just like when we’re focused on things as men or in that masculine energy and just being specifically focused.

00:30:34:21 – 00:30:51:18
Nick McGowan
But the balance is in between that. How we go about that can be different for everybody. Do you have things that you work through a meditation or do you do journaling or anything of that sort? Or you just stand up every couple of hours and just stand outside for a few minutes, like, what’s your jam when it comes to that balance.

00:30:52:19 – 00:31:04:02
Tom Ward
Man? It’s huge. Your morning routine means huge to retain. It’s it’s. I’d be lost without it if I don’t do something in my daily routine, like my whole day is thrown off.

00:31:04:13 – 00:31:22:22
Nick McGowan
And can you share? Because this might be a breakthrough for a lot of people. Some people don’t have their mornings down. They’ll get up, not instantly be nose deep in Instagram or Facebook. Yeah. And then they’re just absorbing all the press for the most part that’s coming in. So give us our give us a peek behind the curtain.

00:31:23:00 – 00:31:24:23
Nick McGowan
People take notes on this. What your morning look like.

00:31:24:23 – 00:31:42:21
Tom Ward
I mean, if I wake up and I do this and I’m on Instagram, I’ve already lost, I’m done. I’m toast. Yeah. So, you know, I try to stay away from the phone as much as possible for the first hour or so in the morning. But it’s I’m huge on working out, man. I’ll go I’ll I’ll knock out some cardio.

00:31:42:21 – 00:32:01:17
Tom Ward
I’ll do an hour, hour and a half cardio, come back, take a shower. I literally write in a gratitude journal every morning I’ll write ten things I’m grateful for that day and you know, if if I miss one of those steps, man, it is just like, oh, the day is not as good as it can be, you know?

00:32:02:07 – 00:32:37:04
Tom Ward
And with working out, I mean, you just feel more relaxed and appreciative and just in a totally better mindset. And it was funny you were telling me about that podcast. It was it. Lewis Howes Right, yeah. I listen to a little bit of that on the treadmill. Earlier, one of his episodes with Andrew Huber, he’s like a neuroscientist out of Stanford and you know, he was talking about going out and getting sunlight morning like in that first hour of waking up, like to eliminate brain fog, which, you know, I know a lot of people experience, especially with daylight savings time.

00:32:37:12 – 00:32:58:16
Tom Ward
You go out, even if it’s not a sunny day, if it’s cloudy, go out, get a little bit of fresh air and be outside. That could have like huge benefits, cognitive benefits for you, for, you know, through the rest of the day. So I try to do at a minimum, like those three things and then then my meetings and email and everything else, and it comes after that.

00:33:00:03 – 00:33:09:19
Nick McGowan
So you prep yourself before you get into the chaos of the day and are you working out every day? Are you doing something to just get your body moving?

00:33:10:20 – 00:33:26:15
Tom Ward
Yeah, I have a I have a triathlon coach and he’s he makes my entire kind of training plan for me. So I’ll wake up and I’ll look at it and I’ll be like, Oh, shit, man, I got to do that today. I got to two miles. Christ, that’s what you do.

00:33:26:16 – 00:33:30:00
Nick McGowan
On your phone. But you look at your phone to see what sort of thing you’re.

00:33:30:00 – 00:33:48:20
Tom Ward
Going to get into or whatever the night before or whatever. But yeah, I mean, you know, he luckily, you know, he, he does all that planning for me. So I don’t have to think about that stuff. I just get up and do it. But yeah, I mean, I’m, I got a half marathon coming up in Austin in February.

00:33:48:20 – 00:33:56:14
Tom Ward
So that’s I’m doing a lot of running heavy kind of stuff. But no, I do at least one rest a week, sometimes two, four days a week.

00:33:57:20 – 00:34:22:06
Nick McGowan
I think a big question there is it sounds like something that you need to do as part of your morning routine is to move your body and get up and do something. And some people get up since they go to the gym, some people won’t and people go to the gym at night. You know, I think we can probably have an entire episode just specifically about the benefits of working out and productivity and just living a better life.

00:34:22:18 – 00:34:50:10
Nick McGowan
I should probably bring on neuroscientist or somebody else that can have some of those conversations because I think you and I are like, Well, when I get up and do things, I feel better. That’s awesome. Yeah, but let’s get into that journaling a bit. So I journal too. I do the the similar thing. I’ve got intentions, goals, gratitude and then I do a journal and am PM like kind of free thinking about what happened, all that sort of fun stuff and challenges and wins for the day.

00:34:50:14 – 00:35:10:22
Nick McGowan
So I’ll do it in the morning and at night. I’ve got about maybe 15 minutes collectively, maybe it’s a half hour at most. But what is it when you go through and you write out those ten gratitude? What do you feel at that point that has changed you differently than it did years ago when you didn’t do that?

00:35:10:22 – 00:35:21:07
Tom Ward
I think what it does is it’s like what Tony Robbins calls mental priming. I mean, Tony Robbins is a huge protein guy.

00:35:21:20 – 00:35:22:19
Nick McGowan
Especially in the mornings.

00:35:23:08 – 00:35:54:07
Tom Ward
Yeah. And he’s like, you know, it’s like priming the pump, you know what I mean? Like, you know, whatever, you know, pick your analogy there. But, you know, getting yourself in just like a state of gratitude because ultimately like that determines your focus through the day. If you wake up and you prime yourself to write ten things you’re grateful for, maybe the whole rest of the day, you know, you’re going to look at things in that lens of gratitude versus looking at the bad things and the negative things like you alluded to earlier.

00:35:54:11 – 00:36:11:10
Tom Ward
Yeah. So you’re setting up you’re setting yourself up for a win there. If you wake up and you’re focusing on these these great things in your life and at the end of the day, like, you’ll you’ll find, I think that you just you’re going to just naturally attract more of those good things in your life by focusing on them.

00:36:11:21 – 00:36:34:06
Nick McGowan
Yeah, that’s key. Think really being able to understand your flow in the morning and getting into that routine can be a pain in the ass. When you think of like setting up your routine and doing that, just like everybody here we are almost the end of the year. By the time this airs, it’s probably going to be the beginning of the year, maybe a weekend, whatever, whatever.

00:36:34:21 – 00:37:06:23
Nick McGowan
There’s going to be a lot of people that have already gone to the gym, already signed up and have already quit. Yeah, because it’s just too difficult do. But when you think of getting yourself into that structure and doing those things, you’re literally to break it down. Simple. You’re not putting trash in your mind from whatever your phone’s going to give you, and you’re instantly starting to put your brain to work, to do positive work, to start thinking of the things that just start to move your your energy level and lower the ag meter, right?

00:37:07:10 – 00:37:33:08
Tom Ward
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I mean, there’s so much garbage on social media, man. You know what I mean? I’ve I’ve tossed around the idea of just getting rid of it altogether. It’s funny, my fiance is she’s. She’s working for a meter. And I said that’s that’s an amazing opportunity, which it really is an incredible opportunity. But I said, you got to watch the social dilemma before you sign the paperwork.

00:37:35:05 – 00:37:53:08
Tom Ward
And she sat down and watched it and she goes, No, that makes that makes a lot of sense. But at the end of the day, there still is a lot of positive that comes from social media, which 100% there is. I mean, I think it’s yeah. Transformed the business world. I mean, particularly yours. I mean you’re your past career.

00:37:53:08 – 00:37:57:23
Tom Ward
You you relied heavily on social, you know, your business.

00:37:58:01 – 00:37:58:16
Nick McGowan
Exactly.

00:37:58:23 – 00:38:16:01
Tom Ward
Yeah. It was your business. Yeah. And it’s and it’s how a lot of people make money. But at the end of the day, a lot of the content floating out there, you know, a lot of it can really be, you know, garbage, right. So you don’t look at it in the morning is my only role in that.

00:38:16:16 – 00:38:42:01
Nick McGowan
Yeah, I agree. But you know, I keep thinking in my head, guns don’t kill people. People kill people become just happens to be the one that did it. Yeah. You know, so social media is kind of the same where people are putting trash out, people are consuming trash. It’s also, you know, for the most part, look, we we all fall into algorithms in some way, but you also create your own.

00:38:42:01 – 00:39:02:16
Nick McGowan
So if you’re just seeing straight trash, you’ve got problems because you’re clicking and liking on the wrong things. But even some of the stuff that comes through news wise or anything like that, again, if we break this down real simply, we’re literally taking that mechanic impulse to just grab your phone and instantly start something because you’re looking for the dopamine hits that you’re looking for.

00:39:02:16 – 00:39:18:10
Nick McGowan
You’re looking for happiness out of that. Yeah. So if you can get up and get your mind into that in a different way, that can change everything drastic we do. My challenge to our listeners is to be able to do that for a couple of days. I run a program every so often that’s a seven days and discipline program.

00:39:18:19 – 00:39:40:01
Nick McGowan
At the core of it, it’s seven days of discipline, pretty simple. Two in the name, really breaking down what you do and getting into the habit of those things. So Tom, when you were getting into the Gratitude Journal, how did you stick yourself to it? Did you set a timer? Did you tell your girl? Did you lock yourself?

00:39:40:01 – 00:39:44:21
Nick McGowan
Did you put it on your pillow and say, like, I have to do this for you, go to bed. How did you do it?

00:39:45:20 – 00:39:52:19
Tom Ward
I can’t even remember because I’ve been doing it for like probably like seven, eight years now then.

00:39:52:22 – 00:40:02:17
Nick McGowan
All right, so close your eyes. Think back, little Tommy. What was little Tommy doing? And where did that come from? Especially that was eight years ago.

00:40:03:00 – 00:40:08:20
Tom Ward
Well, where it came from was that we’re talking seven, eight years ago. The secret was.

00:40:08:20 – 00:40:10:07
Nick McGowan
Huge. Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:40:10:17 – 00:40:29:00
Tom Ward
And etc.. So I was I was listening to The Secret, I was listening to the audio recordings of it. And someone had got on there and was talking about it. I’m like, You know what? Let me try that. That sounds that sounds pretty cool. And I started doing it and I guess I just probably stuck to it for maybe like ten days in a row.

00:40:29:00 – 00:40:46:14
Tom Ward
And then it just was habit, it was just physical and never stopped since, you know, I don’t plan on stopping it anytime soon. You know, there’s 100% days where I do miss like I won’t do it. I’ll forget to do it. Something happens. I’m traveling, whatever the case may be. But, you know, if I forget to do it, I’ll like, stop what I’m doing.

00:40:46:14 – 00:40:53:20
Tom Ward
Grab the notebook and do it right then and there, you know. So yeah, it’s been it’s been really huge for me, for sure.

00:40:55:09 – 00:41:15:05
Nick McGowan
There’s a lot to that because your mindset right off the bat, when we think about waking up in the morning and either grabbing your phone or just I know there are some people that will get into an argument with their spouse or so instantly have to do something. You’re going to have to do something no matter what I think about it, you get up, you have to do something most part.

00:41:15:13 – 00:41:42:09
Nick McGowan
You got to get up and pee. At least like you at least need to do that. You’ve been sleeping for 6 to 8 hours, so getting ourselves into the habit of being able to do something that’s beneficial to us is crucial. So if you’ve got pen, paper, you’ve got something. I challenge you to be able to just write out a couple of things that you’re grateful for the end of this episode or before you go to sleep again, something that works for me really well is doing that in the morning and doing it at night with 1015 minutes of three things.

00:41:42:16 – 00:42:03:12
Nick McGowan
Now, Tom goes a little hand with it and does ten things you can do one thing if you want, just start off with it. So, Tom, it sounds like one of the big things that you do is your gratitude journal that primes you for the day. And that’s one of the big chunks that are I don’t know if you got that from, you know, you saw your parents doing any of that stuff or reading or anything like that.

00:42:03:18 – 00:42:26:13
Nick McGowan
But that’s a big takeaway that I think a lot of people don’t really understand. Or maybe they’ve tried it, maybe they tried it like they tried to Jim at one point and then they quit because it got a little too difficult. The first people that are going to try that again and want to actually succeed at it, what do you what do you suggest that they may do with, you know, they miss a day or two or don’t feel like doing it?

00:42:28:06 – 00:42:52:01
Tom Ward
It totally doesn’t have to be gratitude, journaling. It’s like you hit you hit on you hit that on the head. It could be anything. It could be meditation. Just taking 10 minutes for yourself and thinking happy thoughts or thinking about nothing at all. But before your day gets chaotic and you go to work, do all these things, the point of it is, I think just having a little bit of time for yourself, you know what I mean?

00:42:52:01 – 00:43:20:15
Tom Ward
Like for me doing this, you know, basically forces me to to have some time by myself, 10 minutes, 20 minutes, whatever the case may be. And I do it with a cup of coffee. So it literally doesn’t have to be that all I could be taking a walk, could be reading a book. It could be it could be, you know, listening to, you know, some kind of positive podcast, whatever the case may be, find something that works for you and stick to it, you know, like, it’s like any habit.

00:43:20:15 – 00:43:30:09
Tom Ward
What do they say? You do it 15 days in a row, it becomes habit. So just get through that 15 days and then it’ll just be incorporated into your daily habit.

00:43:30:21 – 00:43:42:07
Nick McGowan
I’ve always pushed for those 30 days like I’m going to do this thing to 30 days. How many times have you said that to yourself to when you’re like, I’m going to do it this long, like half hour into it, you’re like, Yes, I’m done.

00:43:43:00 – 00:43:43:11
Tom Ward
Yeah.

00:43:43:23 – 00:43:45:07
Nick McGowan
Well, fully bought into it.

00:43:45:20 – 00:44:01:09
Tom Ward
So let me ask you, Nick, I mean, what do you think? You know, for anyone that’s trying to incorporate one of these positive habits, what would you say? Where how would you say that they could stick to it and not be the person that goes to the gym for the first week and then stops going?

00:44:01:22 – 00:44:18:21
Nick McGowan
Well, look, first and foremost, I get it. I totally get it. We’ve all been through those things where you intend on doing something and then you just bomb. You just dumb it down and there’s something that didn’t click or clicked in a different way in your mind. So I think it’s really making sure that you’ve got it in front of you.

00:44:19:01 – 00:44:40:00
Nick McGowan
There are things that I do. I set myself reminders like I’d asked you about reminders earlier. I have some reminders that, you know, go to bed, get ready to go to bed, stretch, meditate, read and journal, pray like those sort of things. And those are good little nods. I don’t look at those and instantly like wherever I’m at, I’m like, I have to go do this thing right now because it’s just not going to do it.

00:44:40:11 – 00:44:56:20
Nick McGowan
But at least, at least the nod for me to go do it. So I think if you can set yourself up to have to do that thing. So let’s say you start with a gratitude journal or you just, you just want to get back to journaling a little bit to, be able to prime your brain a bit and grab a pad of paper and a pen and put it where you’re going to see it.

00:44:57:08 – 00:45:15:16
Nick McGowan
As people need to go to the bathroom and typically grab something to drink, they’re going to get coffee to put it in your kitchen, put it on the table right on the sink if you need to, in the bathroom. You know, like you said earlier, Tom, there’s certain days where you’ll miss or two of the things you don’t really kick yourself in the ass about it.

00:45:15:23 – 00:45:32:19
Nick McGowan
You might go, Oh, man, I should have done this thing. And I’ve realized that different points not meditating. You’re nocturnal or not having that time to myself is really screwed up the rest of the day. So that’s my own little kick myself in the ass. But you don’t go back and like beat yourself up about it. You just move.

00:45:32:19 – 00:45:47:23
Nick McGowan
You got to get in that rhythm of that. So I think for those people that want to get into that rhythm, it’s a matter of figuring something out that you want to do and then making sure you’re aware of it. Awareness is key in all things because if you’re not aware that there’s a problem, then what’s the problem?

00:45:48:19 – 00:46:07:19
Nick McGowan
So having some sort of notepad or even your phone just to be able to do your journaling or meditating. I’ll give you two quick things that are very easy to do and can take you 3 minutes at most. So if you have a pad of paper and a pen, write out three things that you’re grateful for. You’d be like, Tom, I do ten things.

00:46:07:20 – 00:46:26:09
Nick McGowan
You can do more, but 3 minutes if you set a timer on your phone, just gratitude. The second thing would be meditating for 3 minutes. Now, Tom, you’d mentioned about just quieting the mind. I don’t know about you, but I have a lot of stuff going through my mind at all times, so it’s pretty difficult to just quiet the mind.

00:46:26:16 – 00:46:44:04
Nick McGowan
I don’t know anybody that can just instantly quiet the mind, what with priming and with meditation and being able to get into that habit and that discipline, you can start to pull back from those things and be able to move thoughts aside and just get back to your breathing. You know, for those of us that meditate, we know that’s the easiest way to get back to it.

00:46:44:14 – 00:47:07:10
Nick McGowan
Just concentrate on the breathing and that’ll pull you back into awareness. So in 3 minutes of journaling or 3 minutes of meditation and I use an app called the Insight Timer app, a friend of mine a couple of years ago told me about it, got hundreds or thousands of different meditations and music and all this other stuff. And there are certain ones that are 2 minutes long, 3 minutes long.

00:47:07:22 – 00:47:28:17
Nick McGowan
There are certain days where I will know that I have a hectic day and maybe I didn’t get to bed at the specific time I wanted to, so I didn’t get as much sleep. I know I’ve really just got a couple of minutes to be able to do my meditation in the morning. I use a three minute one, one that I go back to pretty often and ends with, Now go have a kick ass day and I love that and just kind of move along.

00:47:28:17 – 00:47:50:06
Nick McGowan
So getting into that habit and starting it and just continuing to work through it, I’d say ask for accountability from a friend, but it’s on you to be able to actually set yourself up and understand the animal that you’re working with. So you know that typically I get lazy at these times, then don’t schedule something that you need to spend all your time and effort and energy into.

00:47:50:06 – 00:48:13:08
Nick McGowan
At that point, it just doesn’t make any sense, but early in the morning and at the end of the day, and those are two times when for the most part, there’s nothing else going on. Your job is to either get up and get into the day or start to shut down and closed down for the day. So to recap those, I’m going to say journaling for 3 minutes, just gratitude things I’m grateful for.

00:48:13:10 – 00:48:52:17
Nick McGowan
Grateful I woke up and it was really nice. Grateful I woke up and had the blanket on. Grateful I woke up and the pillow wasn’t on the ground right now, whatever those things are. And then a three minute meditation, there’s simple meditations that you can find tons of different apps that are out there. And the one that I use as Insight Timer, if you want to be a sponsor, they can, you know, just certain things that are just going to help you get along easily and not not have you open IG or Facebook just instantly go into the nonsense because then you’re allowing yourself to go into this crazy flow that typically isn’t going to

00:48:52:17 – 00:49:18:01
Nick McGowan
lead you where you want to go. Yeah. Yeah. So we’ve unpacked a lot. We’ve gone through a lot so far. And again, I appreciate you being here. It’s the first episode and it’s been a blast having you on here. I know we could just talk for hours and hours and hours. We got into some really great stuff today and I want to be able to make sure that our audience is able to take some key things from this episode and be able to walk away with that and start to work on some of that.

00:49:18:07 – 00:49:40:22
Nick McGowan
So some of the things that we’ve touched on are obviously gratitude and journaling, meditation and overall balance. So seeking balance and continuing to work for that. So Tom, as you prep to move as you prep to get married, a new job, do all these things and actually continue on your path to self-mastery. That’s one major piece of advice that you would give to the audience.

00:49:40:22 – 00:49:43:15
Nick McGowan
Listening today.

00:49:43:15 – 00:50:11:14
Tom Ward
I would say just finding excitement, you know, in all those different areas that you mentioned in, you know, in your life, find something that excites about all those things. If it’s if it’s career, find, you know, maybe jot down a goal, something you want to do. You know, if you’re in sales and you’re listening to this, maybe you want to hit your number by September, jotted down, make it your goal, and make it fun and exciting for yourself.

00:50:11:14 – 00:50:38:20
Tom Ward
Don’t make it some some task that you hate to do, like some chore. I know that 100% work for me and you know, as far as the other areas of your life, go have fun and don’t take things so seriously. Just find the excitement in you know and constantly learn whether it’s you’re running in a race or, you know, a marathon, whatever the case may be, just enjoy it, you know, as a goal.

00:50:38:23 – 00:50:41:03
Tom Ward
But yeah, absolutely enjoy it along the way.

00:50:42:15 – 00:51:06:03
Nick McGowan
What time has come to an end? The very first episode of The Mindset and Self-mastery show. I got to say, this has been a blast. I appreciate you being here. You’re always a pleasure to speak with. And I’m so that you were the first person to be on this podcast. We’ve talked about it for years, years and years, years and years and years, and I’m glad that we’re able to actually pull the trigger on that.

00:51:06:03 – 00:51:14:02
Nick McGowan
You’re the first one to be on here. So, Tom, thank you for for being with us. What would you like to share with with the audience and where can the audience find you?

00:51:16:00 – 00:51:39:00
Tom Ward
Yeah, Nick, thanks again for having me on. I’m honored that you chose me to be the very first guest, and I’m looking forward to many, many more of these in the future. But yeah, if anyone wants to reach out, feel free to ping me with an email or follow me on Instagram. You know, it was a blast. Again, thanks for having me on and I’m looking forward to doing so many more with you in the future.

00:51:39:15 – 00:51:48:21
Nick McGowan
Absolutely. Thanks, Tom. It was a pleasure. Have a great night. And to the audience. Thank you all. We’ll see you next time.

00:51:53:03 – 00:51:54:15
Nick McGowan
Wow. What a great first.

00:51:54:15 – 00:52:18:19
Nick McGowan
Episode on the mindset and Self-mastery show. Isn’t it wild how something as a child can affect you as an adult? Well, it shouldn’t be. It happens more than we think. We’ll deal with those traumatic events and things that happen as a child. It’s going to deal with us. So I want to give a big shout out to Tom for being on the show and a huge shout out to you for listening today.

00:52:19:01 – 00:52:38:06
Nick McGowan
Thank you for being with us. If you’ve enjoyed the show and the episode, please jump over to iTunes and subscribe rate and leave a five star review. It is very much appreciated and it really helps. And if you really enjoyed the show today, go ahead and share it with your friends. We covered a pretty tough subject and got some great tips that really work for all of us.

00:52:38:18 – 00:53:05:13
Nick McGowan
So check out the show notes for more info and contact info for Tom and check out other episodes on the Mindset and Self-mastery show dot com as well as our YouTube channel, The Mindset Self-mastery Show on YouTube. So with that, thank you very much for being here and remember your mindset matters and so do you.