New Law Order
New Law Order is a podcast and limited interview series about the coming shake-up in legal services. Hosted by lawyer and TalksOnLaw founder Joel Cohen and Yale Law School Professor John Morley, the show interrogates the technologies, business models, and incentives quietly—and not so quietly—rewiring the legal industry. Each episode is a candid conversation with someone actively changing how law gets done: managing partners challenging Biglaw orthodoxy, founders building alternative legal platforms, and thinkers willing to question even sacred assumptions. With insight, skepticism, and a sense of humor, New Law Order examines what’s breaking, what’s surviving, and what the legal industry would rather not talk about—but must. Guests include Brad Karp (Chairman, Paul Weiss), John Quinn (Founder, Quinn Emanuel), Chris Bogart (CEO, Burford Capital), Michael Gerstenzang (Managing Partner, Cleary Gottlieb), and Jeffrey Toobin (author and legal analyst).
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