New Places to Listen to Podcasts – PCI 310

0:11 And welcome to podcast insider for September 1st, 2022. I'm Mike Dell. I'm the host this week. And joining me is McKenzie Bennett again, how are you feeling after, uh, catching some crud? Oh. Yeah. I don't know what happened at podcast movement last week, but, um, something got me, something got show too. You guys are, uh, sniffling and hacking and you're you're voice does sound better this, uh, today than it did yesterday, so. Okay. Good. Yeah, I think you're getting there . Socher early. So we got our normal news and uh, some blueberry stuff and a best practice and, uh, no interview this week, but we have one coming, I believe next week.

0:53 Of course our blueberry pro tip end the question of the week mm-hmm so, uh, let's get to the news. So YouTube is rolling out a podcast section. Uh, you may or may not be able to get there depending on where you're at or your account, whether it's enabled or not. But to me it looks just like a bunch of videos that, uh, call themselves podcasts. But what do I know? yeah, to be honest, um, I haven't really heard much about this. Like I heard, uh, mumblings of it at podcast movement last week when it was basically announced, but I didn't really look into it.

1:36 So is it kind of just like a profile page saying like you have a podcast, but it's just YouTube videos. Yeah. It's just, uh, a section that says podcasts and then there's a whole bunch of podcasts listed, but they're, you know, YouTubes of podcasts. So , you know, that's fine. You know, there's some of 'em that are just static image and audio playing and there's others in here that are, uh, you know, actual videos of podcasts. So, you know, that's cool, whatever they wanna call it, but it's really just YouTube videos of podcasters. I'm, I'm just, I'm not gonna get upset about the intricate details anymore. About what people call a podcast.

2:16 No, me either don't. Wanna call it a podcast. Great. Yeah. You know, podcast is, I guess, becoming a generic term for internet, audio or video, maybe mm-hmm there's other ways of doing it anyway. Yeah. I'm not gonna get hung up on that either, but guess who else is jumping into podcasting? Twitter is back isn't that how they started like a long time ago. They. Originally O which was a, uh, I guess a directory of podcasts. I remember them vaguely from way back at the beginning, but, uh, yeah, Jack Dorsey and, uh, that crew, uh, ran O and then, uh, pivoted into Twitter or micro blogging is what they called it.

2:58 And so there's where we're at now with Twitter. So they're anyway, they're, uh, adding, and then I use big air quotes, podcasts to Twitter because what they're doing is they're just curating a list of podcasts that you, that they think you might be interested in, which I, it hasn't rolled out to me yet. So I have not seen it. Yes, same. I don't know if I would really say that's podcasting is coming to Twitter. I'd say that's more of the algorithm. . Yeah, yeah, yeah. Know, they're just kind of recommending podcasts. It looks like, and you can listen to them right in the Twitter app apparently, but, uh, oh, okay. I haven't got it yet, but you know, it's the same thing I was talking about when Facebook added podcasts and then quickly got rid of them is, you know, I don't go to Facebook for podcasts, you know, neither do I, I go to pod, I go to Facebook to maybe learn about podcasts or help podcasters or promote business or whatever, you know, but, uh, it's not a podcast destination. And, you know, Twitter's the same thing.

4:02 I, you know, I don't consider it a destination now maybe by figuring out who I follow and what tweets I put out or whatever, maybe they can give me some decent recommendations so that, you know, that may be cool. But, uh, and I'm not gonna sit in Twitter and listen to podcasts. I don't. Think I wouldn't either. Um, but you know, some people do use social media in other ways than we do. We've been involved in podcasting for a very long time and we are kind of set in our listening ways. That's true. So. Who knows, maybe this will get some other people you never. Know. Yeah, that is true for sure. Ah, alright. So this next story is, uh, apple is updating their technical specifications for RSS, which, uh, you know, nothing too earth shattering, except for no more email addresses in the, in the feed. So yeah.

4:55 So how will that affect people? Uh, well, they're, they're gonna have to find another way to authenticate ownership of a podcast feed, which, uh, the guys over at podcast 2.0 are working on, and I know they talk to apple, so maybe they'll come together on some sort of, you know, some sort of a way of doing that without using email. Okay. So, but I, you know, they're, they're a little ahead of it. They're announcing it now. It's gonna be in 2023 that they're changing. It's. Closer than we think. Yeah. I it's, you know, we're into September, holy CRI, you know, . Yeah. But where'd the summer go. Uh, yeah. But yeah, you know, getting the, the email out of feeds is a good idea. I mean, you know, you, and I probably both get a bunch of spam because of that. Or, or at least I do, you know, and I've got two or three shows with my email addresses the account and, you know, I get all kinds of pitches, you know, move away from blueberry, blah, blah, blah. You know, , mm-hmm if we do get those too, mm-hmm , I I've been assured by the company that was doing that, that, uh, that is stopping. So that's good. We did, I did have a chat with them at the, uh, at the show last week, so.

6:09 We'll take their word for it. Yes. So I hope so, but, uh, anyway, okay. So this is the story you found over on newswires. Yes, it is. This is, um, it says the podcasting global market is going to grow at a rate of 30% through the next couple years through 2026. Yeah. That's. So this is really saying that, you know, it's expected to grow over 58 billion to grow two 58 billion in 2026. Oh. Wow. That's uh, you know, I think we just busted a billion last year. . So. So that's good. That's a long way to go . Yeah, this is, I mean, it's a combination of, it says sales of podcasting services by entities. That would definitely be us.

6:55 Yeah. Um, and then I believe advertising is involved in. This. Oh yeah, definitely. It's gotta be advertising and. It's everything. Yeah. Well, I mean pay, uh, that would be great. I'm, I'm certainly, uh, willing to, uh, take that ride, so. Yeah. Yeah. Very good. Very good. All right. So the, the, uh, top 10 genres came out to Edison research for quarter two and, uh, comedy is back on top for a long time. We replaced it for a. While. Yeah. News was on there for probably most of the pandemic years there. Excellent. And, uh, I think comedy was like third, you know, true crime was up there. Religious has always been up there, but I don't see them on the list. Well, okay. They're number 10 now, but, uh, yeah, so it goes, comedy is number one news, number two, society and culture.

7:52 Number three, true crime, four sports, five business six. Now, if look, listening to our customers business would be number two, probably. Yeah, I would say so. Yeah. Arts is seven TV and film is eight that's down from number six. And education is up from number 10 at number nine and religion, uh, was number nine and they kind of switched spots with education. Okay. So, so anyway, that's the latest from Edison research. I mean, it's just following the way of the world right now. Oh yeah. Well, you know, everybody can use a little comedy. We had a little comedy getting this recording started didn't we.

8:34 You know what, yeah. Quite a bit, actually, quite a bit. Maybe it was tragedy. I don't know, but . Only if we would have to record again. Yes, this is true. So we've got two recorders running, so one of 'em ought to stay running. I don't know. All right. The, uh, and when I say new podcast app, I mean the new, uh, podcast apps that, uh, podcast 2.0 supported apps. Uh, but anyway, fountain, which is, uh, recent come or to podcasting, now they have a new chart. So just what the world needs more charts, but this one's called hot on fountain. And, uh, I think it's, uh, skewed more towards a lot of the shows that are doing value for value. Okay. Uh, with a podcast 2.0, but, uh, yeah, no agendas number two, which surprised me. Uh, there's one, uh, number one there, rabbit hole recap.

9:27 I have no idea what that is, but, uh, there, number one. I haven't heard of this app yet. Um, is it Android and iPhone? Yeah. Yeah. Fountain, uh, it's, it's, it's the app that, uh, a lot of people use for streaming Satoshis to, uh, podcasters. And. That would be why. I have, yeah, it's a it's yeah. It's, it's a little on the geeky side still, but, uh, it's getting there, but it's a, it's a pretty decent, uh, listening app and you can earn Satoshi's for listening, which is interesting. I don't know how they're funding that, but, uh, it is cool. I've been, uh, using it on some of the shows that I listen to if they're, uh, value enabled and uh, that way I can stream some stats to them.

10:10 And then I earn some sta sat and it's just kind of fun. Like I said, I don't suspect that I'm gonna be making a million dollars anytime soon on Bitcoin pieces, but , you never know. I. Mean, if, yeah, if that was likely for that to happen, I would actually care. Yeah. But yeah. And this show is over on fountain, of course. And it is, uh, value enabled. So you can earn extra money if you listen on fountain or at least earn some SATs to then pass on to your favorite podcaster. Yeah. This is something that came out, uh, during podcast movement, new voodoo, there we go. Yeah. New voodoo, new voodoo. They come out with a thanks to six things.

10:51 Listeners love about podcasts and four that make 'em crazy. And I didn't really dig too much into this. They have don't, they. Have like a chart of the things and it looks like gen Z male has like true crime and pop culture and scripted comedy and managing money and comedy and gen Z female has true crime comedy self-help pop culture and managing money, millennial male, managing money, comedy, sports, business productivity, millennial, female, true crime comedy self-help news, health, and fitness. All of the different types of content. Yeah. Well see, I gen X for sports. I don't know.

11:31 I don't listen to any sports podcasts, but uh . Yeah. I would say, I mean, you've, you seem to be in the, uh, minority there yeah. Of your age group of your, you know? Yeah. Well, that's not abnormal for me, so that's good. But yeah, it's, it's an interesting article. And, uh, like I said, the little bit that I read about it, they don't have like a straight list of, uh, of the crazy, uh, things. So I think they're talking more about genre mm-hmm . So, and like the ones that you actually like compared to the ones you do not enjoy. Yeah. And ironically, this next story, uh we're we're using zoom today because, uh, we figured out that Skype is what causes my roader to crash. So.

12:14 yeah. You're roader two or whatever it's. Called. Yeah. Roader pro two. Yeah. And, uh, I talked to the, the people at, at road who made the thing and, uh, they're trying to figure out why that would happen and gave me some pointers and I haven't had a chance to test it out yet. So we'll, uh, we'll see if we can get back to where we're using our normal setup, but may not have to, since you're, uh, you got a new microphone at podcast movement. Yeah. So I'm still waiting on our stuff to be delivered, um, coming back from podcast movement last week, but we ended up getting me one of the sure. Microphones. Yeah. The one that I was using to record last week when we were at podcast movement, it was the, uh, I believe it's the MV seven.

12:56 Yep. MV seven. When we got you the USB version. So you can record from home. You won't have to deal with all the equipment . Yeah. The equipment at the office is a little overdone if you ask me. And, um, I, uh, I hate it. Yeah. What if you used it every day and stuff, that's a great setup, but again, you know, you don't, you're not in there much, but anyway, uh, the, the article we were talking, we were going to talk about zoom kind of took over podcasting, you know, lately you hear almost, not everybody, but you know, there's a lot of people that are using zoom for these remote recordings, especially during the whole COVID thing, when everybody was locked down, staying home and all that, you know, a lot of stuff was done over zoom. I mean, you see it everywhere. And, uh, but they had a survey that finds it. You know, some of the pre pandemic habits are starting to return.

13:52 So maybe zoom will lose a little steam there. But, uh, I tell you, you know, it's been pretty solid for us, uh, not for podcasting necessarily, but for, you know, pretty much all of our. Day to day operations. Yeah. We use it. Yeah. And have almost no problems. I'm on it too much. . You are. But, uh, you know, and you know, I used to use go toeing and that was fine software 10 years ago, but this, you know, zoom seems to be a little more solid and stable and easier to use. And, you know, I don't blame people for using it for podcasts. The quality's quite decent. I mean, you know, Mackenzie sounds pretty good. Uh, and she's remote to me and we're recording it here on my end.

14:35 So via zoom. I think if you've got the setup, it is a very decent option to use. Oh, certainly. Certainly. Yeah. And here's our best practice for today. Uh, Mackenzie, you came up with that and, uh, it's kind of ironic that your voice was shot yesterday. . Yeah. So, um, our, our tip of the day is, uh, taking care of your voice. Um, if you work in podcasting, do anything for voiceover, generally do anything for audio, even if you're just doing stuff for social media, like TikTok or, you know, um, Instagram reels or literally anything mm-hmm, where you're gonna be recording your voice. Um, take care of it last week, Nike, you were one of them, you know, we're on the expo floor, we're going to the parties in the evenings that are loud and we're just politely happily yelling at each other to be able to hear each other. And, um, yeah.

15:26 My voice was shot. Your voice was shot last week when we were in Dallas and then I was doing perfectly fine. I was so good. And then I got home and got real sick and sounded like trash yesterday. I don't sound great today, but I sound much better than I did. Yeah. Yeah. I attribute that to lots of tea. yeah. Well, you know, but basically, you know, taking care of your voice while podcasting always have, you know, like a glass of water or something handy, you know, don't eat while you're podcasting. So many people do that. The people that think that's okay are boggles my mind, but that's a whole other discussion, but, um, yeah, lots of like, don't do any dairy, um, like immediately before you record or something like that. Um, if you're gonna be doing this on a regular basis, really just try to keep this in mind because.

16:15 Yeah. You'll, you'll learn over time. What, what works, what doesn't, but, you know, going to a party, a loud party, right before you record where you're screaming the night before you might wake up with a, you know, a crappy voice . Yeah. There's gonna be like one person who's gonna end up sounding cooler and like sounds good with it. And then everyone else is gonna sound like I do right now. And it's not so fun. but take care of yourself. I mean, that's the other thing, you know, if you're mm-hmm , if you're sick, you sh you know, it's not any fun to podcast, so. No. But you're doing it. Thank you. yes. Well, she had to come to the office anyway to get our delivery of, uh, of stuff. So I.

16:55 Guess it. A, uh, wasn't too bad. Multi task day too at the office. All right. So on the blueberry stuff, really, not a whole lot in there. Uh, of course we're getting back in the groove after podcast movement. And I think overall it was a pretty good show. Uh, the traffic was a little bit down, I think, for the number of people that were there at the booth, but, you know, the, the networking was really good. I got to talk to a lot of people, uh, a lot less newbies at this show than, uh, say podcast or, uh, some podcast movements in the past.

17:38 It seems like we talked to a lot of established podcasters. I kind of saw this. I feel like, uh, she podcasts last October as well, that you're speaking to someone who is still learning and still excited to learn. And doesn't, you know, doesn't feel like they know everything already, but they have been podcasting for like a year or two now. Um, as in like, they, they started sometime probably honestly, during COVID at home and they did quite a bit of learning on their own and they feel confident and they know that they enjoy this. I wanna stick with it. And now they're showing up to events saying, what can I do to really take this above and beyond from what I'm doing currently. So, right.

18:21 It. Was nice to talk to people who are, who are looking for somewhat professional services. They're taking it seriously. Like, yeah, podcasting's fun, but we want you to like, do well at it too. oh yeah. You know, there's, there's hobbyist podcasters, and, you know, there's people just starting out and, you know, they might start out on something like anchor or, you know, some something that's, uh, free or cheap and then decide they really wanna graduate to the next level of podcasting. So yeah, we talked to a lot of those people and, uh, I've been moving them this week already moving people from various other hosts and, and whatnot. And, uh, just, just generally, uh, you know, a lot of, lot of questions of, you know, kind of a consulting, like thing I, I got, those are kinda my.

19:07 Favorite conversations. Yeah. It was great. You know, they, people were telling me what they wanna try to do, and then we try to figure out how to make it happen for them. And, you know, I, I, I don't know. It was great. And, you know, every time I go to one of these things, I see of course, a ton of people that I know. Yeah. You know, that's kind of the family reunion part of it. Mm-hmm . And then, uh, I run into a lot of people that I don't know, and I've never seen before. And, uh, and a lot of companies booths and stuff that, you know, were never there before. And some that were there, you know, in years past aren't there now. And it it's, it's just kind of fun to, to see the evolution of, uh, of what's going on. I did notice also there was a lot more presence from big, bigger corporate podcasters, uh, or podcast companies.

19:56 The, yeah. The, the organizations behind it. Yeah. That, that whole upstairs hall, there was just full of huge companies that like, dang, you know, they, got a big booth of, you know, and, uh, was it, uh, serious? Was there, uh, Spotify was there daily wire was there, there was a bunch of big mm-hmm companies that, well, you know, Spotify's been there co last couple years, but Sirius XM had a pretty big presence upstairs there, you know, that's cool. Of course, they've got a bunch of different, uh, brands under their wing there. And Amazon was there with wonder mm-hmm and all that. So yeah. They sponsored one of the parties. Of course, iHeart always sponsors the big party.

20:38 they? Yeah. They've been doing that a couple years now, but, um, but it just kind of goes to show how things have a lot of people, a lot of organizations, um, were bought or consolidated. However you wanna think of it in the past couple years, really joining forces, whether we wanted to, like people wanted them to or not. Um, so that's. Consolidation, it happens. Yeah. Uh, you know. Yeah. I see the good and the bad out of many of those relationships. Uh, but it, it does make sense that they would be starting to kind of show their show their faces at an event like this more nowadays. And, and going back to that article we had before of, you know, 30% growth by 2026, like, this is, this is part of the reason why.

21:20 That's, how it happens. And one thing I did notice that apple had a more public presence there. They didn't have a booth or anything, but, uh, I, I seen a lot more of the apple team this time than, uh, we have in years past. And I mean, we might also see that more up close because they know our faces. Oh. Of course. But, you know, but, but you know, it was, yeah, probably to the average attendee, they probably didn't know if they were talking to somebody from apple . Yeah. But, uh, you know, of course we had a, we had a meeting with 'em. We always meet with 'em at least once, uh, at these events that they're at mm-hmm and, and you Todd and I had a little little meeting about something upcoming that's been announced, uh, that's gonna be happening this fall, which would be cool.

22:05 And we talked a little bit about their, uh, RSS update or their requirements update RSS isn't updating, but, uh, Apple's requirements are updating, which is gonna cause the rest of the industry to sort of follow along, which is good, you know, cuz. As it always does. Yeah. Cuz they, they are sort of the leader of this. I mean they don't own it, but they, you know, they definitely, uh, drive some of the technical stuff and it was really good that they're talking with, uh, Dave and Adam from uh, podcast 2.0 mm-hmm uh, or podcast index. So, uh, maybe we'll get some of that stuff supported by apple. That would be awesome. But yeah, overall I think it was a, a worthy show, a Cho got her first, uh, trade show experience. And uh, she did, she did, she did really well and she dragged me off to a couple of booths. Oh, check this out. Oh, check that out. it was great. Uh, I've been playing with that E cam live thing, but uh, it wasn't ready for prime time yet. So we're not trying it this week, but UHS pretty.

23:07 Soon and we will soon. Yep. So soon look for that. Uh that'll that'll up our video game for, uh, for live. So let's see, Todd's gonna be at dragon con this weekend in Atlanta. He's probably on a plane now. Uh, yeah, I believe so. From, from Las Vegas, he had another event in Las Vegas this week. That's why he is not here. Traveling, man. Yeah. He's been on the road. It'll be two, two full weeks. By the time he gets home. So either he is gonna be ready to sit still or you want, he is gonna ready to jump on another airplane and go on vacation. Maybe. I don't know. we'll see. Sounds like he deserves a vacation. Yes. Yes. It's the first day of international podcast day month.

23:49 Is it such a thing? I don't know, but I'm gonna go ahead and say that there is Mike, I saw it on, I saw someone mention it on Twitter and I was like, that's a great thing to say. yep. Yep. So the international podcast day is back for a live stream this year, but they're gonna do a reasonable eight hours instead of a ridiculous 32 hours. So. Honestly, very understandable. And I don't know if we're gonna be involved in that and or not. I think we probably will in some way or another. And uh, but yeah. Look for that at, uh, gonna be on the, I believe the 30th, right? Uh, yes. Yeah. So it'll be on the 30th. It'll be more information. We'll talk about it coming up to it cuz you know, Steve and Dave are good friends of the show here, so we'll definitely, uh, promote that whether we're involved or not. Yeah. Big fans of.

24:38 Them. Yeah. Definitely something else I was gonna mention. Yeah. There's a, there's another podcast day Australia and podcast day for, uh, UK. It's gonna be like in the first week of October, I'll have more information about that as well. So there's more people getting into that sort of around this time of year podcast day. okay. Dunno why it's around this time of year, but that's okay. Well it's Steve and Dave. They well so all right. So I got a, a pro tip here from Toby. So, uh, let's listen to that. Hi, it's Toby Goodman here today.

25:19 Podcast content problems through the lens of Elton John, when a VIP podcasting client flew from the USA into London telling me she wanted to see Elton John, I knew I needed to get a few tickets, especially when I discovered he was playing just up the road from my home. But honestly I was concerned Elton isn't, someone I'd paid too much attention to in the last 25 years or so. And the videos of him playing during lockdown suggested he might be past his best, but to cut to the night of the show, I was blown away. The show was amazing. I had the best time he sang well, but what was most impressive were the production values, an ACE band with arrangements sensitively supporting his vocal limitations, coupled with a production crew who made his old songs sound fresh.

26:06 Unlike these stay at home restrictions of COVID. This was a real team effort looking around the place tens of thousands of people were clearly feeling the same as I was. What's all this got to do with podcasting. Well, I get that. You might sometimes have concerns about generating new content, but I've come to learn that it's okay to repeat your ideas. I may have discovered Elton John many decades ago, but I was genuinely enthused to hear songs. I was familiar with being performed with a slightly different approach. The environment I was in was new, his tempo and tone changed. The truth is it's impossible to sing the same song. Exactly the same more than once and side note in an episode entitled Parais of Malcolm Gladwell's revisionist history podcast, he shares a story about how Elvis only ever sang are you lonesome tonight correctly. Once anyway, back in London, Elton reinforced my belief that these songs were well crafted and I was happy to hear them in a new context, great artists learn that playing the hit is a great way to create a long and prosperous career.

27:11 And I'm pretty sure podcasters could learn a thing or two from that. This isn't about me convincing you to like Elton John. This is about me letting you know that if you have a position as a podcaster, don't worry about running out of ideas. Listeners come and go and may not have heard you early stuff. You have a responsibility to your listener and yourself to be able to convey your message in a number of different ways. So maybe it's not more ideas you need just more ways to communicate and connect them. So if you are looking for the podcast equivalent of Elton John's band and production team, to make sure your podcast makes your listeners ears dance, the blueberry pro team are your perfect choice.

27:52 And we'd love to hear from you come and say hi over@blueberrypro.com. Yeah, that makes sense. Uh, we, we do that a lot here. We'll talk about the same things, but in a different way, uh, quite a bit. It's just like how ads work. You have to hear. 'em a certain number of times before they really click in. Yeah, that's true. And you know, there's always new people coming in and, and people dropping off and mm-hmm, , you know, they may not have heard this particular tip that we would give out. And uh, you know, of course, you know, sometimes we call it beating a dead horse, but that's because we're here every week, you know but you know, not everybody is.

28:39 Yeah. I loved that. Elton John analogy though. And it's a good thing that I muted myself while listening to that, because one, I had a coughing fit and two, I almost spit out my tea when he said Elton John. so. Well done. Toby. Yeah. And I liked the, uh, in Elvis too. Never sang that song right. Once or only sang it once. Right. Probably when you recorded it. And uh, the question of the week and this one came from Facebook, I don't remember who, but uh, she said my recording is getting a lot of background noise. How do I reduce the background noise coming into my microphone? The main thing is to not record any background noise. And I, you know, that sounds kind of simple, doesn't it? Uh, but , but things you can do, that'll help, uh, make sure you're in the quietest place you can be now. You're, you're kind of, uh, you're in our studio and apparently you're doing construction next door so.

29:38 Yeah, they stopped. But when I was going through the drama, that is this studio at the beginning, when I first got here, um, there was a lot going on. I have a feeling, they took a launch break. Well, that's good. So, uh, we, we timed it. Right. That's the other thing, time it right. . Yeah. Good. Point. You know, if you know, you know, if you got someone mowing your lawn or something, uh, you know, or there's construction going on, wait till they take a break, if you can, you know, sometimes you can't, but uh, but do do the best you can. Don't blame your neighbors. No. I saw some terrible TikTok the other day or something that was about, um, the people upstairs getting yelled at, by their neighbors down below who are podcasters. And they were like, I'm we have to live our lives, you're recording. And like, uh, run the mill, not fancy apartment building. I don't know what you expected.

30:29 Like you're gonna have some noise around you. Yeah. And you know, that, that does happen, but there's things you can do, you know? Yes. Like, you know, turn off anything with a fan. It, if you can, you know, now a lot of people have computers with loud fans. Well, just make sure that's behind your microphone and not, you know, not in front of it, turn off your air conditioning, if you can, you know, if you're not gonna roast, you know, any other noise producing things, you know, that's one of the reasons I don't have a refrigerator in my office because the damn things make noise. . Mm-hmm, like, don't sit next to a window. If you live on the street, like I do. Yeah. Or, you know, you can soundproof behind you is the best place, but you know, around, if you can, you know, hang a blanket up behind you when you record that's, you know, if you don't have a permanent way of noise proving or make sure your background has like a bookshelf and some books on it and you know, something that's just not a flat wall.

31:24 The beloved podcast Fort it works. Yeah. And then, uh, you know, of course, if you're in a room that doesn't have carpet, get a, get a rug to stick under under your chair and yeah. You know, and all that, uh, you know, just, or, you know, close curtains or blinds on windows, if you can, uh, that'll uh, help it, not bounce off the glass. And, uh, that's the beauty of podcasting. It doesn't have to be pretty. No, it doesn't have to be perfect either. You know, you know, I'm sure you've heard little background noises here and there, you know, I have I'm in the single worst place on the planet to podcast I'm next to a coast guard air station. So I get helicopters flying over mm-hmm I get jets landing. I get, uh, I'm near the bay. So I get jet skis. I get I'm on a five lane road.

32:09 I've got train tracks here. You know, I got all kinds of things, but I think my recordings usually sound pretty decent. You. Do you make it work? Because. I made, you know, I've made some changes in the room here that, uh, that helped the quietness a bit. So, and another thing, uh, you know, if you still have some noise, whatever, turn the gain down on your recording system, your microphone, and, uh, get closer to it. Uh, and then you can always boost it in postproduction. Uh, I, I use a phonic, uh, if I have to do that or I do use APH phonic anyway, but, uh, and if you have a dynamic, Mike, use that instead of any condensers, you know, if you have a definitely you have a blue snowball, well, you're kinda on your own on that.

32:53 Just turn the gain way down and get up close to it. But, uh, you know, try, try to, you know, get a, a dynamic which definitely rejects extra noise a bit better than, than a condenser. And a little bit of ambiance doesn't hurt a thing. You know, like last week you could hear the show floor a little bit, even though we were in a supposedly soundproof booth, but you could still hear stuff going on out on the floor. And, uh, mm-hmm, , that's fine. We were on location. You know, if an, if a helicopter flies over, I'm not gonna stop recording. It just, you know, Hey, this helicopter just flew over, you know, stuff happens. It's not a, not a big thing. And then sometimes you just can't help it. So, you know, do what you do your best, but, uh, doesn't have to be perfect.

33:35 So I think that brings us to a close here. On a good note, too, that do your best, but it doesn't have to be perfect. Just, you know what, Mike, you're just giving out life advice right now. Not just podcast. Advice. True. Well, you know, it is what it is. So. Also life advice, just less, uh, less with a positive spin. There. Don't wanna be Debbie downer here. you know, that, that's the thing about podcasting. It's, it's not professional all the time. We're technically a professional podcast company. And my first 20 minutes in the office today, I was like, ringing my hair out, trying to figure out what was wrong with a stupid studio. so right.

34:17 But doing my best, I got it to. Work. Yes. And it, you know, you sound good, but like I say, you know, sound quality is very important, but you know, if you can only do so much anyway, uh, let's, uh, close this up and get outta here. Okay. If you have got a question you'd like us to answer on the show, please drop us an email to mike@blueberry.com. It can be audio, text, video doesn't matter. And we may use it. You can also post a question on the blueberry podcasting Facebook group that we have. Of course, uh, the blueberry podcasting Facebook group is not the best place for support. The best place is, uh, at blueberry.com/support. You know, give us the whole team access to, to that rather than direct emails, calls, or social media posts have been having a lot of those lately.

35:05 And speaking of voice, excuse me. and we are coming to you this week from I'm in the blueberry studio in Columbus, Ohio and Mike Dell's world studio at traverse city, Michigan. And thanks again to the blueberry pro production team for producing editing, and making us sound much, much more professional than we actually are in this episode today. yeah, they make us sound smarter. Anyway, fill out our listener survey at surveys.blueberry.com/podcast insider, and that lets us get to know you even better. And if you would like to schedule a one on one with Todd, this is for hosting customers only you can email him@toddblueberry.com.

35:46 Yeah. He does little 30 minute, uh, consults with people. So, uh, mm-hmm yeah, take advantage of that. There's not very many CEOs of podcast companies that, uh, will do that. So very cool. And then you can always schedule a tech checkup with me also hosting customers only you can email Mike blueberry.com and if you're not a hosting customers, then, then we'll, uh, make that into a sales pitch. And if you would like to send us your podcast sticker, we will send you some back. So send me a self address, stamped envelope, and I'll send you back whatever it can fit inside envelope. Yeah, we got the mailing address will be in the show notes. Of course.

36:27 And Mackenzie takes care of that. She'll send you some, uh, some cool stuff and, uh, yeah, our water bottles really were hit at the, uh, show last week. So yes. They were. So I got one of them and, uh, I haven't used it yet. It's uh, it's soaking right now, so good. Anyway, everybody have a good week. I'm not sure what's happening next week. I think Todd will be back, but uh. Well we're all gonna be out for labor day. Yeah. We're gonna be out for Monday mm-hmm and then, uh, back at it Tuesday and, uh, Thursday, I think Todd will be in and we'll probably have the, the live on Facebook, but I don't know. And, uh, Cho and I are gonna be working on the E cam live stuff. So, uh, look for some cool video content coming soon.

37:11 Sounds like fun. All.