What happens when a lawyer who opened his first office in a small Arkansas town with a bounced check and a toddler quacking down his hallway with door stops in his mouth grows his firm into the largest wage and hour practice in the country, co-founds a firm with a YouTuber who has 3.9 million subscribers, builds a legal referral software platform used by five of the ten largest plaintiff firms in the country, and then launches a class action firm that files one lawsuit per calendar day? In this episode of the Trustcast Show, Zane Myers speaks with Josh Sanford, founder of Sanford Law Firm, co-founder of Eagle Team with Legal Eagle's Devin Stone, CEO of the legal referral software company Lexamica, and co-founder of EKSM — the class action firm that has now filed cases in 48 states against companies including NVIDIA, Meta, Snap, ByteDance, OpenAI, and Amazon over AI training data and copyright violations worth hundreds of billions in statutory damages. Josh explains how a conversation on a Monday about the Fair Labor Standards Act turned into a $5.5 million settlement by Thursday, why he shut the front door of his original firm in 2022, and what it actually takes to file a class action every single day. They also discuss the Bart v. Anthropic settlement for $1.5 billion over AI training data, why data breaches keep happening and who should be calling a lawyer when that notification arrives in the mail, how he built a software company to manage referrals between plaintiff firms before anyone knew that needed to exist, and why change is a skill that lawyers who want more should get very good at practicing. Josh Sanford is the founder of Sanford Law Firm, co-founder of Eagle Team and EKSM, and co-founder of Lexamica. He is based in Little Rock, Arkansas and practices in federal courts across the country. Connect with Josh Sanford: eksm.com America's Attorney on YouTube Little Rock, Arkansas Chapters 00:00 Introduction to Josh Sanford 01:04 Opening a law firm months out of law school — a bounced check and a quacking toddler 03:12 Going door to door to businesses, joining Kiwanis, and getting the first clients 04:48 How a Monday phone call and a Thursday client led to a $5.5 million FLSA settlement 06:10 Growing into the largest wage and hour practice in federal court in the country 07:31 Meeting Devon Stone at a YouTube conference and co-founding Eagle Team 09:59 How Lexamica was born and why five of the ten largest plaintiff firms now use it 12:42 What launching Eagle Team taught him about systems that Sanford Law never did 14:55 Why he shut the front door of Sanford Law Firm in October 2022 16:47 Founding EKSM in August 2024 with Tommy Kirker and Jared Elzey 18:03 How you file one class action per calendar day — and where the cases come from 20:31 What happens when a data breach notification lands and the team mobilizes 22:04 What most people don't understand about that breach letter they throw in the trash 24:01 Rapid fire questions including golf, Legally Blonde, and the best advice he ignored 27:30 Running four firms at once — golf every morning and gym at lunch 29:06 Hiring for values not experience and building teams that don't need babysitting 31:25 Building with family and why you need smart family members if you're going to do it 32:16 If he could give 2001 Josh one piece of advice 32:48 Why data breaches keep increasing and who benefits 33:19 Cases against NVIDIA, Meta, Snap, ByteDance, OpenAI, and Amazon over AI training data 35:00 The Digital Millennium Copyright Act explained 37:07 The Bart v. Anthropic $1.5 billion settlement and the model for AI IP going forward 40:20 What he wants the firm to stand for when it's all said and done 41:32 What to do if you just got a data breach notification #JoshSanford #EKSM #DataBreachLawyer #ClassAction #LegalEagle #Lexamica #EagleTeam #TrustcastShow #WageAndHourLaw #AILawsuit
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