That Said With Michael Zeldin

That Said With Michael Zeldin

That Said, is a weekly series that will take a comprehensive look at the ideas, events, and people who shape our world. Led by TV legal and political analyst Michael Zeldin, his candid conversations with bestselling authors, thought leaders, and opinion-makers will explore their ideas to help move u...

Richard North Patterson | Tripwires
That Said With Michael Zeldin
Richard North Patterson | Tripwires

Recent Episodes

Oct. 12, 2026

Richard North Patterson | Tripwires

Join Michael in his conversation with Richard North Patterson about his new book Tripwires, 15 Twenty-First-Century Events That Undermined American Democracy—And How to Reclaim It which identifies a series of self-inflicted wounds and destabilizing societal trends that have led America to the precipice of Autocracy and lays out a program for reversing the harm. Richard North Patterson is the author of twenty-three novels, sixteen of which have been New York Times bestsellers, as well as a nonfic
Sept. 25, 2026

The Midnight Special: The Secret Prison History of American Music | Colin Asher

Join Michael in his conversation with Colin Asher about his new book The Midnight Special, The Secret Prison History of American Music which explores the rich tradition of music behind bars and shows how policing and prisons have shaped our musical culture from blues to hip-hop. After spending a decade as a bicycle messenger among other things, Colin received a Bachelors of Science degree from Northeastern University, and a Master of Arts from the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalis
Sept. 17, 2026

Julian Zelizer | Abraham Joshua Heschel, A Life of Radical Amazement | re-release

Join Michael Zeldin as he speaks with Princeton historian Julian Zelizer about his book, Abraham Joshua Heschel, A Life of Radical Amazement. In his lifetime, Rabbi Heschel helped to carve out space for progressive religious voices on the national and international stage in the civil rights, anti-war, and religious freedom movements. Coretta Scott King, called Heschel “one of the great men of our times.” Julian Zelizer is the Malcolm Stevenson Forbes, Class of 1941 Professor of History and Publ
Sept. 11, 2026

The Wreck of the Mentor | Eric Jay Dolin

Join Michael in his conversation with best–selling author Eric Jay Dolin about his latest book The Wreck of the Mentor which tells the story of the American whaling ship Mentor, wrecked in 1832 on a remote reef in the western Pacific. With supplies dwindling, the eleven surviving crewmen face not only the miseries of shipwreck in unfamiliar territory but also the profound uncertainty of contact with the Indigenous people of the Micronesian archipelago of Palau, who within days approach the deser
Aug. 25, 2026

An Inconvenient Widow: The Torment, Trial, and Triumph of Mary Todd Lincoln | Lois Romano

Join Michael in his conversation Lois Romano about her new book An Inconvenient Widow, The Torment, Trial and Triumph of Mary Todd Lincoln a revelatory new biography of one of the most misunderstood and vilified First Ladies in American history: Mary Todd Lincoln. Book Notes Mary Lincoln was at the center of politics at a time when society’s expectations for women were rigid and circumscribed. The product of Southern aristocracy, she grew up among an influential clan of politicians and elites w
Aug. 8, 2026

Vermeer: A Life Lost and Found | Andrew Graham-Dixon; Guest Co-Host Prof. Philip Eliasoph

Join Michael in his conversation with Andrew Graham-Dixon about his new book Vermeer, A Life Lost and Found which is a groundbreaking study of the seventeenth century Dutch artist Johannes Vermeer. Andrew is a British art historian, art critic, author and broadcaster and one of the leading art critics and presenters of arts television in the English-speaking world. He has presented numerous landmark series on art for the BBC and in the course of his storied career, has won numerous awards for wr