Episodes

Nico Agosta and Daniel Lobo-Lewis of the Political Integrity Project join Lawrence Lessig, Harvard Law School professor, and Maia Cook, Executive Director of Equal Citizens, on the Another Way podcast to explain how they made money in politics go viral. 🗳️ In just one year, the co-founders of this independent, nonpartisan watchdog have built a massive social media audience (over one million!) by making campaign finance data accessible, engaging, and funny. We sit down with them in Washington, DC, to talk about how they turn online anger into real campaign finance reform.

On this episode, Lessig speaks with Ron Fein, the former Legal Director at Free Speech For People who now serves as Senior Legal Advisor for Democracy Forward. The two discuss the history of the various legal efforts to end SuperPACs and why Dinner Table Action v. Schneider has a strong chance of succeeding.

On July 29th, 2026, our legal team, led by Neal Katyal, argued in front of the First Circuit Court of Appeals in our case that could end SuperPACs. On this episode, we air the full audio of the oral arguments. Listen closely to how seriously the judges grapple with our argument.

On this episode, Lessig speaks with Christopher Robertson, who serves as both a law professor at Boston University School Of Law and Professor of Health Law, Policy & Management in the Boston University School of Public Health. Robertson authored a study empirically assessing at what levels of contributions the public perceives the appearance of corruption. This work is essential evidence in our lawsuit to end SuperPACs and the two discuss the results in detail.

On this episode, Lessig speaks with Jonathan Gienapp, an associate professor of history and law at Stanford University. The two discuss whether the original meaning of the First Amendment gives the people of Maine — or the U.S. Congress — the ability to limit the size of contributions to SuperPACs. Spoiler: The answer is yes.

On this episode, Lessig speaks with Courtney Hostetler, the Legal Director for Free Speech For People. Free Speech For People is the organization that showed Lessig the critical legal argument that could end SuperPACs, and the two outline this argument in detail. For more information about Free Speech For People, visit: https://freespeechforpeople.org

In this episode, Lessig speaks with Rick Bennett, a former Republican state senator from Maine who is currently running for governor as an Independent. Bennett has long been instrumental in the fight against big money in politics in Maine and is an intervenor alongside Equal Citizens in the case that could end SuperPACs. The two discuss why it is so critical that we change the corrupt status quo.

Announcing the new season of Another Way — this time with video (finally)! This season will unpack key arguments in our court case that could end SuperPACs. You won't want to miss it.

In this episode, Lessig and Hepburn have one final conversation to close out Season 7.

In this episode, Lessig and Hepburn continue the conversation, discussing the hot-button issues shaping the start of 2026. Become a Patreon subscriber: https://www.patreon.com/EqualCitizens Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

The latest (and penultimate) episode of Season 7, continuing the conversation with Ben Hepburn. Become a Patreon subscriber: https://www.patreon.com/EqualCitizens Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Pulling it all together, Lessig asks his high school friend Ben Hepburn: How can you defend this? Listen to the conversation, and the common ground that gets built. Become a Patreon subscriber: https://www.patreon.com/EqualCitizens Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal d...

In this episode, Lessig and Hepburn discuss what Lessig has elsewhere described as Trumps strategy of extortion — illegal threats to force compliance by every institution that might resist him. (Plus a quick trip to Vietnam, and the promise of a brand new Trump resort!) Become a Patreon subscriber: https://www.patreon.com/EqualCitizens Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production Hosted by Simp...

In this episode, Lessig and Hepburn discuss the tariffs. Is there some point at which MAGA supporters call uncle? Become a Patreon subscriber: https://www.patreon.com/EqualCitizens Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sessions; Noe Noe by Blue Dot Sessions; Vengeful by Blue Dot Sessions Post-production: Josh Elstro of Elstro Production Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Lessig's conversation with Ben Hepburn continues, this time about Ukraine, DOGE and RFKJr

In this second episode, Ben Hepburn and Lessig continue to see where we can find common ground in our understanding of the current administration. Are we on the left too pessimistic? Is the other side too optimistic? Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

In this season, Lessig will have a conversation with Ben Hepburn, a friend from high school, whose politics is not Lessig's. The plan for the season is to check in regularly about the latest questions raised by the new Trump administration, and see whether a conservative and a liberal can find common ground, or even just understanding. This first episode was recorded just before in Inauguration. Become a Patreon subscriber: https://www.patreon.com/EqualCitizens Music: Roundpine by Blue Dot Sess...

On this episode (recorded before Tuesday's election), Lessig is joined by his colleagues Matthew A. Seligman (Stris & Maher), Ned Foley (Moritz College of Law, The Ohio State), and Derek Muller (Notre Dame Law School) to discuss what could (have) happen(ed) in the period after Election Day and before the counting of electoral votes.

In this episode, Lessig outlines what happens if Maine passes Question 1. What are the next steps, and the arguments that will get us to the Supreme Court — and to victory!

On this episode, Lessig describes the campaign in Maine. The legislature chose to let the people decide whether to vote against SuperPACs in Maine — and if upheld, the nation. This episode discusses that campaign, and the risks it faces. Check out the website of the campaign at CitizensToEndSuperPACS.org.

On this episode, Lessig keeps the story going. We got the signatures. The next step was that the Maine legislature needed to decide whether it would pass the initiative into law itself, or let it go to the ballot. This episode is the story of the legislative hearing, and its decision on how to handle the initiative.

On this episode, Lessig chronicles the next chapter in the story of the Maine initiative. We had an idea — based on FreeSpeechForPeople’s brilliant argument — for an initiative. And Mainers were excited about the idea. A poll showed overwhelming support for the initiative. We just needed to raise the funds to get the signatures gathered. That proved to be an enormous challenge — unsurprisingly, as our theory of victory included convincing the Supreme Court we were right. This episode tells the s...

On this episode, Lessig details how we got to this initiative that could end Super PACs: FreeSpeechForPeople.org’s brilliant argument, and the decision to take that argument into the field and win!

On this episode, Lessig provides a brief history of the fight to end SuperPACs. Then, critically, he examines how the theory of the conservatives — originalism — supports our argument against SuperPACs.