Episodes

Join Michael Zeldin for this important conversation with Bakari Sellers. Named one of Time Magazine’s 40 under 40, Sellers became the youngest-ever African American elected official when sworn into the South Carolina State Legislature at the age of 22 in 2006. After earning a BA at Morehouse and JD at the Univ. of South Carolina, Sellers has taken up the causes of his father, Dr. Cleveland Sellers, the renowned civil rights leader. His recent book, My Vanishing Country: A Memoir, charts his extr...

Join Michael Zeldin in his conversation with Mark Salter, Author of The Luckiest Man: Life with John McCain. Salter collaborated with John McCain on all seven of their books, including The Restless Wave, Faith of My Fathers, Worth the Fighting For, Why Courage Matters, Character Is Destiny, Hard Call, and Thirteen Soldiers. He served on Senator McCain’s staff for eighteen years. Guest Mark Salter Author of "The Luckiest Man: Life with John McCain" Mark Salter is an American speechwriter from Da...

There can be no question but that Abraham Lincoln embodies the best of what America can be and thus his wisdom endures. Join me and Professor Michael Gerhardt as we explore how Lincoln became Lincoln and what he can still teach us on this 156th anniversary of his assassination. Guest Professor Michael J. Gerhardt, Burton Craige Distinguished Professor of Jurisprudence at the University of North Carolina School of Law Michael Gerhardt joined the Carolina Law faculty in 2005 and serves as the Burt...

Join Michael Zeldin in his conversation with Ron Brownstein, Senior Editor at the Atlantic and CNN senior political analyst, as they discuss his new book, Rock Me on the Water which examines how politics and culture intertwined to reshape American life in the transition from the optimism of the 1960s to the reality of the early 1970s. Ron Brownstein is a two-time finalist for the Pulitzer Prize for his coverage of presidential campaigns and national politics. Guest Ron Brownstein Senior Editor ...

Watch On-Demand Video Watch On-Demand Video Throughout their history, Asians in America have faced massive racial discrimination from indentured servitude to exclusion laws through internment during World War II. Asian Americans continue to face ongoing discrimination in myriad ways. The Atlanta spa murders, while a grotesque manifestation of this history, is sadly not an isolated event. Join Michael Zeldin in his conversation with Jennifer Ho, President of the Association for Asian American S...

The “Choose to Challenge” theme for International Women’s Day and Women’s History month challenges us, men and women alike, to confront biases, question stereotypes, and celebrate the achievements of women around the world. Change comes from challenge and a challenged world is an alert world. But, implementing strategies that will make those changes a reality takes a lot of work. Join the discussion with Aisha C. Mills, Political Commentator, as she discusses the challenges women face and the ...

Join Michael Zeldin as he speaks with CNN Anchor and Chief Domestic Correspondent Jim Acosta, to hear details of history’s most unconventional presidency and its unprecedented relationship with the DC press corps. Acosta, considered one of the nation’s foremost political correspondents, will reveal the backstories the public has yet to hear about the Trump White House and its contentious dealings with reporters. Acosta will share highlights from his best-selling book, “The Enemy of the People: A...

John Dean, best known for his treatise on Richard M. Nixon joins Michael Zeldin to discuss his recent psychological investigation into the psyche and personality of former President Donald J. Trump. Dean has partnered with Bob Altemeyer, a professor of psychology whose expertise is the study of authoritarianism, to see why Trump’s base is so faithful to him, no matter what he does. Why do evangelical Christians support him, for example, despite his well-documented sexual predations? Why do so ma...

Michael Steele, former Lt. Governor of Maryland, RNC Chairman, political analyst for MSNBC and the host of the Michael Steele Podcast joins host Michael Zeldin to discuss issues of race, impeachment, and the future of the Republican Party. Guest Michael Steele When he was elected Lt. Governor of Maryland in 2003, Michael Steele made history as the first African American elected to statewide office; and again with his subsequent chairmanship of the Republican National Committee in 2009. As chair...

Douglas Brinkley, Rice University Professor of Humanities and History and CNN Presidential historian, joins host Michael Zeldin to discuss how history will assess the Trump presidency and Trumpism, the rise in domestic terrorism and censorship in social media during Trump’s tenure, and the relationship between Congress and the Biden administration. Guest Douglas Brinkley Douglas Brinkley is the Katherine Tsanoff Brown Chair in Humanities and Professor of History at Rice University, CNN Preside...

Former U.S. Attorney Chuck Rosenberg joins host Michael Zeldin as they deconstruct the case "for" and "against" impeachment of former President Donald Trump on the latest episode of THAT SAID WITH MICHAEL ZELDIN. Guest Chuck Rosenberg, Former U.S. Attorney Chuck Rosenberg held numerous senior positions in the United States Department of Justice –as the United States Attorney in both the Eastern District of Virginia and the Southern District of Texas, as the senior counselor for national security...

Joe Lockhart, White House Press Secretary under President Bill Clinton, and Former Congressman Charlie Dent, Pennsylvania's 15th Congressional District. join Michael Zeldin for this timely conversation about the second impeachment of Donald J. Trump. Guests Joe Lockhart, White House Press Secretary under President Bill Clinton Joe Lockhart is perhaps best known for his service as White House Press Secretary under President Bill Clinton from 1998 to 2000, during which time he managed daily press ...

Join THAT SAID podcast host Michael Zeldin for this timely conversation about the second impeachment of Donald J. Trump. Michael's guests are Congressman Eric Swalwell, House Impeachment Manager, and Professor Michael J. Gerhardt, Burton Craige Distinguished Professor of Jurisprudence at the University of North Carolina School of Law. Guests Congressman Eric Swalwell Growing up in what now is California’s Fifteenth Congressional District taught Eric Swalwell a lot about hard work, strong princip...

Join Michael Zeldin in his conversation with The Washington Post Chief Correspondent Dan Balz as they break down the recent presidential election and discuss how Joe Biden won and the specific challenges that await the Biden administration and the country more broadly. What message does this send about the United States on the global stage? What is the impact on main street and Wall Street? Guest Dan Balz Chief correspondent covering national politics, the presidency and Congress. Education: Un...