A Podcast with Charlie Swenson - To Hell and Back

This podcast series, “To Hell and Back,” is focused on the nature of hellish experiences in life, how people get into them, and to present and discuss tools for coping with hell and getting out. The various podcasts will move back and forth between differ

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Amputation of Morality: What to Do About It? – Episode 121

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The perspective within this podcast is that our current political process is seriously dysfunctional, having been taken over by decision-makers who...

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In this podcast, I explore what is meant by dialectics in general, dialectics in the practice of DBT, and especially what it takes to “do dialectics-in-action.”...

Wise Mind, Polarization, Dialectics, and Stopping Fascism – Episode 118

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In this podcast, the third in a series, I clarify the place of dialectics in DBT as an antidote to polarization. Using some case examples, I detail...

Learning to Say No Effectively to Fascism – Episode 117

Posted May 1, 2025

To say NO to the forces and practices of fascism in the U.S., effectively enough to stop it, can be frightening. We will borrow from the DBT skills...