A Podcast with Charlie Swenson - To Hell and Back

This podcast series, “To Hell and Back,” is focused on the nature of hellish experiences in life, how people get into them, and to present and discuss tools for coping with hell and getting out. The various podcasts will move back and forth between differ

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When Hell is an Attack on Democracy – Episode 116

Posted April 20, 202500:56:35

In this podcast, Charlie draws from DBT in search of ways to understand the current assault on democracy in the United States, and to become more effective...

Adapting DBT Skills When Working with Autistic Individuals – Episode 115

Posted April 26, 202301:19:46

In this episode, the fourth in a series on autism and DBT, Charlie is again joined by Amara Brooke and Rachel Kraus, two DBT therapists who are autistic...

Challenging, Changing Course, Reframing. Irreverence in Therapy and Life – Episode 114

Posted April 6, 202301:24:26

In this episode, Charlie explains, and gives lots of examples of, being irreverent in therapy. What is the essence? What is the point? Why is it...

Top Ten Tips for Adapting DBT to Autistic Clients – Episode 113

Posted March 29, 202301:13:43

Charlie moderates a discussion between Amara Brook and Rachel Kraus, both of whom are DBT-informed therapists with subspecialties treating autistic and...

Do we use DBT to target autism? No – Episode 112

Posted March 23, 202301:15:18

Charlie talks further with Amara Brook about autism, neurodiversity, and DBT: how can DBT be adapted, not to target autism itself, but to help autistic...